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shariq_tariq

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 9:16 am
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Would you guys say he is better defensively than Damon? How strong is
his arm from the outfield? Damon's arm was a liablity IMHO ( I reckon I
could outthrow the guy with a couple of days of practice) and I reckon
the Red Sox will not be hurting in that department

Is Coco Crisp leadoff hitter material?

Is Coco Crisp a base stealing threat? For all his speed I don't think
Damon was not exactly someone who would put fear in the hearts of
catchers and pitchers with his base stealing ability

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 11:06 am
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Lee Harris wrote:
> <shariq_tariq.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1138468606.196561.280970@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> > Would you guys say he is better defensively than Damon? How strong is
> > his arm from the outfield? Damon's arm was a liablity IMHO ( I reckon I
> > could outthrow the guy with a couple of days of practice) and I reckon
> > the Red Sox will not be hurting in that department
> >
> > Is Coco Crisp leadoff hitter material?
> >
> > Is Coco Crisp a base stealing threat? For all his speed I don't think
> > Damon was not exactly someone who would put fear in the hearts of
> > catchers and pitchers with his base stealing ability
>
>
> Crisp figures to be better than Damon in 2006 already, and the gap will
> widen as each year comes along. Crisp's numbers were hurt by playing in
> Jacobs field, Damons helped by Fenway. Don't know about Crisp's arm but I
> have a sneaking feeling the Sox have him rated high on defense.

Crisp had by far his best stealing success in 2005 with 15 SB and 6 CS.
Damon was superb with 18 SB and a mere 1 CS. Career wise the gap is
very much in Damon's favor 281 SB, 75 CS (78.9%) to 54 SB and 29 CS
(65.1%). I don't think those ratios will change much in the next couple
of years.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 3:54 pm
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On 28 Jan 2006 11:06:17 -0800, "Gnork" <gnork.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> quacked:

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>Lee Harris wrote:
>> <shariq_tariq.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1138468606.196561.280970@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
>> > Would you guys say he is better defensively than Damon? How strong is
>> > his arm from the outfield? Damon's arm was a liablity IMHO ( I reckon I
>> > could outthrow the guy with a couple of days of practice) and I reckon
>> > the Red Sox will not be hurting in that department
>> >
>> > Is Coco Crisp leadoff hitter material?
>> >
>> > Is Coco Crisp a base stealing threat? For all his speed I don't think
>> > Damon was not exactly someone who would put fear in the hearts of
>> > catchers and pitchers with his base stealing ability
>>
>>
>> Crisp figures to be better than Damon in 2006 already, and the gap will
>> widen as each year comes along. Crisp's numbers were hurt by playing in
>> Jacobs field, Damons helped by Fenway. Don't know about Crisp's arm but I
>> have a sneaking feeling the Sox have him rated high on defense.
>
>Crisp had by far his best stealing success in 2005 with 15 SB and 6 CS.
>Damon was superb with 18 SB and a mere 1 CS. Career wise the gap is
>very much in Damon's favor 281 SB, 75 CS (78.9%) to 54 SB and 29 CS
>(65.1%). I don't think those ratios will change much in the next couple
>of years.

I agree. Still, stealing has not been a major objective of the RS, and
rightly so.

One of the benefits of Damon at lead-off was the large number of
pitches he would average per plate appearance. Crisp likes to hit the
fist pitch, and is very good at it (not as good as Nomar, but VERY
good). So, I doubt that will change.
--McDuck
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 4:04 pm
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 5:33 pm
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<shariq_tariq.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1138468606.196561.280970@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> Would you guys say he is better defensively than Damon? How strong is
> his arm from the outfield? Damon's arm was a liablity IMHO ( I reckon I
> could outthrow the guy with a couple of days of practice) and I reckon
> the Red Sox will not be hurting in that department
>
> Is Coco Crisp leadoff hitter material?
>
> Is Coco Crisp a base stealing threat? For all his speed I don't think
> Damon was not exactly someone who would put fear in the hearts of
> catchers and pitchers with his base stealing ability


Crisp figures to be better than Damon in 2006 already, and the gap will
widen as each year comes along. Crisp's numbers were hurt by playing in
Jacobs field, Damons helped by Fenway. Don't know about Crisp's arm but I
have a sneaking feeling the Sox have him rated high on defense.
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Charley O

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 9:39 pm
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<shariq_tariq.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1138468606.196561.280970@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
> Would you guys say he is better defensively than Damon? How strong is
> his arm from the outfield? Damon's arm was a liablity IMHO ( I reckon I
> could outthrow the guy with a couple of days of practice) and I reckon
> the Red Sox will not be hurting in that department
>

I see reports rating his arm as average - so that is a big plus over Damon -
but not as good as Donnie Sadler's arm.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2006 11:49 pm
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> Would you guys say he is better defensively than Damon? How strong is
> his arm from the outfield?

Putrip. Absolutley putrid.

> Is Coco Crisp leadoff hitter material?

Yeah, though his OBP isn't great. He doesn't take a lot of pitches.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 3:13 pm
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Jumping Jack Flash venit, vidit, et dixit:

>> Would you guys say he is better defensively than Damon? How strong is
>> his arm from the outfield?

> Putrip. Absolutley putrid.

I've heard it said that he STILL has a better arm than Damon.
Short of having the withered corpse-arm of Dumbledore, I can't imagine
its being significantly worse.

>> Is Coco Crisp leadoff hitter material?

> Yeah, though his OBP isn't great. He doesn't take a lot of pitches.

His OBP wasn't that bad. His home field hurt him.

for comparison's sake:
Crisp 2005: 107 OBP+, 112 SLG+, 119 OPS+
Damon 2005: 110 OBP+, 103 SLG+, 113 OPS+

(The + indicates that the measurement has been both adjusted for
park and league and compared to league average. The higher the number,
the better. A 107 OBP+ means that Crisp's OBP was 7% better than league
average, once adjustments are made for his park. A 119 OPS+ means his
OPS was 19% better than league-average, adjusted for park).

I mean, I'd rather bat Youkilis leadoff, but when Crisp ends up
leading off, I'll be able to live with it.

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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Jan 30, 2006 3:43 pm
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Bob-Nob wrote:

>
> His OBP wasn't that bad. His home field hurt him.
>
> for comparison's sake:
> Crisp 2005: 107 OBP+, 112 SLG+, 119 OPS+
> Damon 2005: 110 OBP+, 103 SLG+, 113 OPS+
>

Away from the Jake:

Crisp 2005: 370/518/888 OBP/SLG/OPS

>
> I mean, I'd rather bat Youkilis leadoff, but when Crisp ends up
> leading off, I'll be able to live with it.
>

Ditto, although if he slugs over 500, I'd really prefer that he bat 2nd.

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