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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 10:41 am
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I have been one of Crisp's staunchest supporters. When he arrived, I
was positive we were getting the poor man's Johnny Damon. I had watched
him quite a bit in his final season in Cleveland, and on his way up
through the minors.
There is no good excuse for his two season slide, and definitely no
excuse for his performance this year. Maybe he let the criticism from
last year's injury plagued year get in his head this year. Maybe his
wrist is not going to get better and it still bothers him (Nomar has
seen a regression overall since his wrist problems). I don't know what
the answer is because I don't know the man.
What I do know is this...it is time for him to sit. And it is time for
Ellsbury to get the call up. What more can this kid do in AAA? Now,
the problem is (as always) the amount of spotlight the kid will get
right off the hop. And if he struggles out of the gate, it could be
tough for him (ask Pedroia early this year, or Craig Hansen anytime so
far). But talent has a way of coming around eventually, and Ellsbury
seems to have it in spades.
Its really too bad for Coco. He isn't as bad as he is showing. I am
guessing we can place him in the file marked "Edgar Renteria" and leave
it at that. Maybe it just isn't going to happen in Boston. But he has
had 2 and a half months to get on track this year...and its getting
ugly. Not many true contenders have room for a guy as horrible
offensively as Crisp has been this year, overall. The Sox have two guys
who have played in 60 games this year and currently sport OBP's of less
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:02 am
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"smacdo" <fake.RemoveThis@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>I have been one of Crisp's staunchest supporters. When he arrived, I was
>positive we were getting the poor man's Johnny Damon. I had watched him
>quite a bit in his final season in Cleveland, and on his way up through the
>minors.
>
> There is no good excuse for his two season slide, and definitely no excuse
> for his performance this year. Maybe he let the criticism from last
> year's injury plagued year get in his head this year. Maybe his wrist is
> not going to get better and it still bothers him (Nomar has seen a
> regression overall since his wrist problems). I don't know what the
> answer is because I don't know the man.
>
> What I do know is this...it is time for him to sit. And it is time for
> Ellsbury to get the call up. What more can this kid do in AAA? Now, the
> problem is (as always) the amount of spotlight the kid will get right off
> the hop. And if he struggles out of the gate, it could be tough for him
> (ask Pedroia early this year, or Craig Hansen anytime so far). But talent
> has a way of coming around eventually, and Ellsbury seems to have it in
> spades.
>
> Its really too bad for Coco. He isn't as bad as he is showing. I am
> guessing we can place him in the file marked "Edgar Renteria" and leave it
> at that. Maybe it just isn't going to happen in Boston. But he has had 2
> and a half months to get on track this year...and its getting ugly. Not
> many true contenders have room for a guy as horrible offensively as Crisp
> has been this year, overall. The Sox have two guys who have played in 60
> games this year and currently sport OBP's of less than .280. This will
> catch up with them at some point, won't it?
Wow...I just said pretty much the same thing just a minute ago, before
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:10 am
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"smacdo" <fake DeleteThis @nospam.com> wrote in message
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>I have been one of Crisp's staunchest supporters. When he arrived, I was
>positive we were getting the poor man's Johnny Damon. I had watched him
>quite a bit in his final season in Cleveland, and on his way up through the
>minors.
>
> There is no good excuse for his two season slide, and definitely no excuse
> for his performance this year. Maybe he let the criticism from last
> year's injury plagued year get in his head this year. Maybe his wrist is
> not going to get better and it still bothers him (Nomar has seen a
> regression overall since his wrist problems). I don't know what the
> answer is because I don't know the man.
>
> What I do know is this...it is time for him to sit. And it is time for
> Ellsbury to get the call up. What more can this kid do in AAA?
He could hit for a little power. His slg % is the pits. Bring up Moss or
Scales (I think Scales was in the OF in ST), both of their numbers at AAA
blow Ellsbury's out of the water. Even David Murphy is out hitting him.
One of the three has to be able to play CF and if not then RF with Drew
moving over.
>Now, the problem is (as always) the amount of spotlight the kid will get
>right off the hop. And if he struggles out of the gate, it could be tough
>for him (ask Pedroia early this year, or Craig Hansen anytime so far). But
>talent has a way of coming around eventually, and Ellsbury seems to have it
>in spades.
>
> Its really too bad for Coco. He isn't as bad as he is showing. I am
> guessing we can place him in the file marked "Edgar Renteria" and leave it
> at that. Maybe it just isn't going to happen in Boston. But he has had 2
> and a half months to get on track this year...and its getting ugly. Not
> many true contenders have room for a guy as horrible offensively as Crisp
> has been this year, overall. The Sox have two guys who have played in 60
> games this year and currently sport OBP's of less than .280. This will
> catch up with them at some point, won't it? >> Stay informed about: Coco Crisp... |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 12:22 pm
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smacdo wrote:
> I have been one of Crisp's staunchest supporters. When he arrived, I
> was positive we were getting the poor man's Johnny Damon. I had watched
> him quite a bit in his final season in Cleveland, and on his way up
> through the minors.
>
> There is no good excuse for his two season slide, and definitely no
> excuse for his performance this year. Maybe he let the criticism from
> last year's injury plagued year get in his head this year. Maybe his
> wrist is not going to get better and it still bothers him (Nomar has
> seen a regression overall since his wrist problems). I don't know what
> the answer is because I don't know the man.
It's his finger that was broken, not his wrist, right? Or am I getting
him mixed up with WMP? Either way some lingering problem from injury
is the only explanation for his complete collapse that makes sense.
You don't go from a 800 OPS at age 24-25 to a <600 OPS as a 27-year
old without something being very wrong. He's not dogging it; his
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 12:22 pm
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On Jun 14, 1:22 pm, tfactor <tfactor.use....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> smacdo wrote:
> > I have been one of Crisp's staunchest supporters. When he arrived, I
> > was positive we were getting the poor man's Johnny Damon. I had watched
> > him quite a bit in his final season in Cleveland, and on his way up
> > through the minors.
>
> > There is no good excuse for his two season slide, and definitely no
> > excuse for his performance this year. Maybe he let the criticism from
> > last year's injury plagued year get in his head this year. Maybe his
> > wrist is not going to get better and it still bothers him (Nomar has
> > seen a regression overall since his wrist problems). I don't know what
> > the answer is because I don't know the man.
>
> It's his finger that was broken, not his wrist, right? Or am I getting
> him mixed up with WMP? Either way some lingering problem from injury
> is the only explanation for his complete collapse that makes sense.
> You don't go from a 800 OPS at age 24-25 to a <600 OPS as a 27-year
> old without something being very wrong. He's not dogging it; his
> defense is better than ever. He just can't swing the bat.
Once they get a good contract, there's no reason to risk taking those
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 1:02 pm
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tfactor wrote:
> smacdo wrote:
>> I have been one of Crisp's staunchest supporters. When he arrived, I
>> was positive we were getting the poor man's Johnny Damon. I had
>> watched him quite a bit in his final season in Cleveland, and on his
>> way up through the minors.
>>
>> There is no good excuse for his two season slide, and definitely no
>> excuse for his performance this year. Maybe he let the criticism from
>> last year's injury plagued year get in his head this year. Maybe his
>> wrist is not going to get better and it still bothers him (Nomar has
>> seen a regression overall since his wrist problems). I don't know
>> what the answer is because I don't know the man.
>
> It's his finger that was broken, not his wrist, right? Or am I getting
> him mixed up with WMP? Either way some lingering problem from injury is
> the only explanation for his complete collapse that makes sense. You
> don't go from a 800 OPS at age 24-25 to a <600 OPS as a 27-year old
> without something being very wrong. He's not dogging it; his defense is
> better than ever. He just can't swing the bat.
Yeah Crisp had the finger and WMP broke his hamate bone last year.
I don't know if anyone can explain Crisp's decline. Perhaps he didn't
work as hard as he did before, or could never adjust to the pressures of
Boston (though I don't quite buy that). Perhaps he's gotten into some
bad habit that has not been corrected. Whatever it is I was high on him
when he first came to Boston, high on him to rebound to be at least
closer to his Cleveland production at the start of this year, but now
even I have given up that they are going to get anything out of him.
What are the chances he rebounds to his former self once gone from
Boston. The way Renteria has played since his year in Boston angers me
to no end. Was it just injury in 2005? Was it the Boston pressure and
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 3:22 pm
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<mrl RemoveThis @psfc.mit.edu> wrote in message
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> On Jun 14, 1:22 pm, tfactor <tfactor.use... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>> smacdo wrote:
>> > I have been one of Crisp's staunchest supporters. When he arrived, I
>> > was positive we were getting the poor man's Johnny Damon. I had
>> > watched
>> > him quite a bit in his final season in Cleveland, and on his way up
>> > through the minors.
>>
>> > There is no good excuse for his two season slide, and definitely no
>> > excuse for his performance this year. Maybe he let the criticism from
>> > last year's injury plagued year get in his head this year. Maybe his
>> > wrist is not going to get better and it still bothers him (Nomar has
>> > seen a regression overall since his wrist problems). I don't know what
>> > the answer is because I don't know the man.
>>
>> It's his finger that was broken, not his wrist, right? Or am I getting
>> him mixed up with WMP? Either way some lingering problem from injury
>> is the only explanation for his complete collapse that makes sense.
>> You don't go from a 800 OPS at age 24-25 to a <600 OPS as a 27-year
>> old without something being very wrong. He's not dogging it; his
>> defense is better than ever. He just can't swing the bat.
>
> Once they get a good contract, there's no reason to risk taking those
> enhancement pills any longer.
>
Get back to class you. You need to spend more time studying. You're
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 3:25 pm
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"Todd" <toddcaron.TakeThisOut@remove.gmail.com> wrote in message
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> tfactor wrote:
>> smacdo wrote:
>>> I have been one of Crisp's staunchest supporters. When he arrived, I
>>> was positive we were getting the poor man's Johnny Damon. I had watched
>>> him quite a bit in his final season in Cleveland, and on his way up
>>> through the minors.
>>>
>>> There is no good excuse for his two season slide, and definitely no
>>> excuse for his performance this year. Maybe he let the criticism from
>>> last year's injury plagued year get in his head this year. Maybe his
>>> wrist is not going to get better and it still bothers him (Nomar has
>>> seen a regression overall since his wrist problems). I don't know what
>>> the answer is because I don't know the man.
>>
>> It's his finger that was broken, not his wrist, right? Or am I getting
>> him mixed up with WMP? Either way some lingering problem from injury is
>> the only explanation for his complete collapse that makes sense. You
>> don't go from a 800 OPS at age 24-25 to a <600 OPS as a 27-year old
>> without something being very wrong. He's not dogging it; his defense is
>> better than ever. He just can't swing the bat.
>
> Yeah Crisp had the finger and WMP broke his hamate bone last year.
>
> I don't know if anyone can explain Crisp's decline. Perhaps he didn't
> work as hard as he did before, or could never adjust to the pressures of
> Boston (though I don't quite buy that). Perhaps he's gotten into some bad
> habit that has not been corrected. Whatever it is I was high on him when
> he first came to Boston, high on him to rebound to be at least closer to
> his Cleveland production at the start of this year, but now even I have
> given up that they are going to get anything out of him.
>
> What are the chances he rebounds to his former self once gone from Boston.
Would not be surprised at all. That's why I'm not ruling out moving him.
This is precisely the time for a team to try to grab someone like this...if
a GM is smart anyway.
>The way Renteria has played since his year in Boston angers me to no end.
>Was it just injury in 2005? Was it the Boston pressure and spotlight? Was
>it both?
>
I don't know. Why did Mike Lowell have such a bad year before he came
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 4:33 pm
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>> The way Renteria has played since his year in Boston angers me to no
>> end. Was it just injury in 2005? Was it the Boston pressure and
>> spotlight? Was it both?
>>
>
> I don't know. Why did Mike Lowell have such a bad year before he came
> here...as a throw-in/salary dump?
Good point. I guess what goes around comes around..the going around
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 5:08 pm
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On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 12:02:15 -0500, "Magnus, Robot Fighter."
<me RemoveThis @key.com> wrote:
>Only a Red Sox fan would complain about having the best record in
>Baseball.
No. Yankee "fans" do that too, that is when they have the best record.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:13 pm
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smacdo venit, vidit, et dixit:
<snip of stuff on Crisp>
> What I do know is this...it is time for him to sit. And it
> is time for Ellsbury to get the call up. What more can this
> kid do in AAA?
Hit? Why bring up Ellsbury who was only recently called
up to AAA in the first place and who is only hitting for
a .752 OPS?
Moss, I could understand, but why risk the development of
Ellsbury when he's only hitting as well as Crisp (roughly
translated from minor league numbers)?
I have zero problem with bringing Ellsbury up if he were
hitting well in AAA. So far, he hasn't done that. If
the Sox want to bring up an outfielder from AAA now, I'd
bring up Moss (hitting well) or Murphy (whose future is
not as bright as Ellsbury's, so it's less worrisome to
risk), not Ellsbury. You disagree?
Catch you later.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:13 pm
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"Bob-Nob" <bobnob15 DeleteThis @SPaMol.com> wrote in message
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> smacdo venit, vidit, et dixit:
>
> <snip of stuff on Crisp>
>
>> What I do know is this...it is time for him to sit. And it
>> is time for Ellsbury to get the call up. What more can this
>> kid do in AAA?
>
> Hit? Why bring up Ellsbury who was only recently called
> up to AAA in the first place and who is only hitting for
> a .752 OPS?
>
> Moss, I could understand, but why risk the development of
> Ellsbury when he's only hitting as well as Crisp (roughly
> translated from minor league numbers)?
>
> I have zero problem with bringing Ellsbury up if he were
> hitting well in AAA. So far, he hasn't done that. If
> the Sox want to bring up an outfielder from AAA now, I'd
> bring up Moss (hitting well) or Murphy (whose future is
> not as bright as Ellsbury's, so it's less worrisome to
> risk), not Ellsbury. You disagree?
>
I wouldn't have a big problem if it's Moss you'd prefer (though it's funny,
for ten points in AVG you aren't worried about HIS development..he's
actually five days younger that Ellsbury). I wouldn't mind Murphy if it
were a fourth OFer we needed. That's not what's needed.
They are two different types really. Ellsbury is a flat out burner...25 out
of 28 steals. And an outstanding defensive CFer. I think there's a good
chance he could thrive very soon. The best do that. We could actually be
holding him back...though you could be right and it turns out he'd be
overmatched at first. Remember how Pedroia started out? I'd much rather
give him a shot than take Gnork's approach and trade a great young arm for a
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:09 am
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Bob-Nob wrote:
> I'd
> bring up Moss (hitting well) or Murphy (whose future is
> not as bright as Ellsbury's, so it's less worrisome to
> risk), not Ellsbury. You disagree?
Like I said originally, the bright lights are going to be a problem for
any call up. Ellsbury is getting on base at a major league clip...
But bring up Moss. Either or. I'm easy to get along with. If you are
leaving Ellsbury on the farm to develop power though, he might not ever
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 1:56 am
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Dano venit, vidit, et dixit:
> "Bob-Nob" <bobnob15.TakeThisOut@SPaMol.com> wrote...
>> smacdo venit, vidit, et dixit:
>> <snip of stuff on Crisp>
>>> What I do know is this...it is time for him to sit. And it
>>> is time for Ellsbury to get the call up. What more can this
>>> kid do in AAA?
>> Hit? Why bring up Ellsbury who was only recently called
>> up to AAA in the first place and who is only hitting for
>> a .752 OPS?
>> Moss, I could understand, but why risk the development of
>> Ellsbury when he's only hitting as well as Crisp (roughly
>> translated from minor league numbers)?
>> I have zero problem with bringing Ellsbury up if he were
>> hitting well in AAA. So far, he hasn't done that. If
>> the Sox want to bring up an outfielder from AAA now, I'd
>> bring up Moss (hitting well) or Murphy (whose future is
>> not as bright as Ellsbury's, so it's less worrisome to
>> risk), not Ellsbury. You disagree?
> I wouldn't have a big problem if it's Moss you'd prefer
> (though it's funny, for ten points in AVG you aren't worried
> about HIS development..he's actually five days younger that
> Ellsbury).
To be perfectly honest, I didn't look at their AVGs at all.
What I did look at was their OBPs and SLGs...
http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/external/brandedstats/t998.html?cid=
533&lid=117&t=t_ibp&sid=milb
Moss .306 AVG, .402 OBP, .555 SLG
Ellsbury .296 AVG, .379 OBP, .373 SLG
Moss is drawing more walks and hitting for a lot more power.
Ellsbury doesn't look ready for the majors to me, not yet;
Moss does.
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On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 01:56:44 GMT, "Bob-Nob" <bobnob15 DeleteThis @SPaMol.com>
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>Dano venit, vidit, et dixit:
>> "Bob-Nob" <bobnob15 DeleteThis @SPaMol.com> wrote...
>>> smacdo venit, vidit, et dixit:
>
>>> <snip of stuff on Crisp>
>
>>>> What I do know is this...it is time for him to sit. And it
>>>> is time for Ellsbury to get the call up. What more can this
>>>> kid do in AAA?
>
>>> Hit? Why bring up Ellsbury who was only recently called
>>> up to AAA in the first place and who is only hitting for
>>> a .752 OPS?
>
>>> Moss, I could understand, but why risk the development of
>>> Ellsbury when he's only hitting as well as Crisp (roughly
>>> translated from minor league numbers)?
>
>>> I have zero problem with bringing Ellsbury up if he were
>>> hitting well in AAA. So far, he hasn't done that. If
>>> the Sox want to bring up an outfielder from AAA now, I'd
>>> bring up Moss (hitting well) or Murphy (whose future is
>>> not as bright as Ellsbury's, so it's less worrisome to
>>> risk), not Ellsbury. You disagree?
>
>> I wouldn't have a big problem if it's Moss you'd prefer
>> (though it's funny, for ten points in AVG you aren't worried
>> about HIS development..he's actually five days younger that
>> Ellsbury).
>
>To be perfectly honest, I didn't look at their AVGs at all.
>What I did look at was their OBPs and SLGs...
>
>http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/external/brandedstats/t998.html?cid=
>533&lid=117&t=t_ibp&sid=milb
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>Moss .306 AVG, .402 OBP, .555 SLG
>Ellsbury .296 AVG, .379 OBP, .373 SLG
>
>Moss is drawing more walks and hitting for a lot more power.
>Ellsbury doesn't look ready for the majors to me, not yet;
>Moss does.
That may well be, but as I asked in another thread, why are people so
focused on Ellsbury's SLG, when he does his "job" of getting on base
and wreacking havoc on the basepaths so well? I question whether OPS
is really the best tool to measure a player like him. His OBP is at
..380 now, and he's 25-for-28 in steal attempts--in only 52 games this
season (at both levels).
(Frankly, I've never been crazy about that "stat" from the get-go, but
that's a whole other ball of wax. And I've never liked the concept of
summing up a player with one number, when so many other stats are
readily available. I want to see the O, the S, the components, in
Ellsbury's case the SB/CS, the defense, the scouts' views, etc.)
Anyway, Ellsbury and Moss are completely different kinds of players,
and I'd be 100% fine with calling either up to replace Crisp in some
fashion. If they want more of a power bat, then Moss is the man. If
they want a guy with equal or better defense/speed as Coco, but
potentially a much higher OBP, then Ellsbury's the guy.
-Bismo. >> Stay informed about: Coco Crisp... |
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