Coco Crisp-At His Level Now?

External Since: Jan 04, 2006 Posts: 998

"gnork" <gnork44 RemoveThis @earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> "Fred Burton" <fburton RemoveThis @starfire.mv.com> wrote in message
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>> "gnork" <gnork44 RemoveThis @earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>> > "eric" <eric RemoveThis @local.net> wrote in message
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>> >> On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 16:25:33 +0000, gnork, during a pipe dream
>> >> babbled:
>> >>
>> >> > 2007 stats to date: .261 .317 .380
>> >> > 2006 stats .264 .317 .385
>> >> >
>> >> > Just about identical.
>> >> >
>> >> > Career Stats: .280 .327 .412
>> >> >
>> >> > Better, but not a whole lot better.
>> >>
>> >> I like to look at 3 year stats. Anything older than that doesn't tell
> you
>> >> much about what the player is likely to do.
>> >>
>> >> .289 .337 .437
>> >>
>> >> The two years before last year were .297 and .300.
>> >>
>> >> I think realistically his upside is somewhere around .300 unless he
> gets
>> >> injured again. To me (and anyone you would want to trade him to) that
>> >> would be the big question.
>> >>
>> >> I have no problem trading Coco for propects given bright showing from
>> >> Ellsbury. But Crisp isn't highly paid, so there really isn't much
>> >> incentive to 'rock the boat' so to speak. And if he does hit .290-.300
> or
>> >> so for the 2nd half, and play regularly, his trade value will be far
>> >> greater. Trading him now is like selling a stock that has just started
> to
>> >> appreciate in value after being stuck with it while it did nothing for
> a
>> >> year and a half. Not really that smart a move.
>> >>
>> >> > If they expect this is Coco's level, they should go back to 11
>> >> > pitchers,
>> >> > trade Coco if a decent deal is possible, trade or dump Hinske, bring
> up
>> >> > Ellsbury, Moss and Scales. Moss can play RF well and Drew can play
>> >> > CF
>> >> > well. Ellsbury and Moss should both get a lot of playing time and
>> >> > Scales
>> >> > should play somewhere against lefties.
>> >>
>> >> If you bring up both Moss and Ellsbury I don't think they will both
>> >> get
>> >> enough time. It's one thing to have a vet like Hinske on the bench vs.
> a
>> >> 22 year old.
>> >
>> > If Crisp was traded they could each get decent playing time. Notice I
> said
>> > earlier "if the team feels he won't be better." If not and he stays and
>> > does
>> > well, that is fine. I would trade him over the winter.
>> >>
>> >> The thing that looks like a mistake to me right now is the Drew
> signing.
>> >> Moss might be ready to step into a starting corner OF role well before
>> >> that contract is over. Ellsbury isn't a corner OF.
>> >>
>> >> As far as Scales, now that Lugo is hitting there isn't a place on the
>> >> team
>> >> for him unless there is an injury.
>> >
>> > Scales has nothing to do with Lugo. I would dump Hinske for him.
>> > I would go to 11 pitchers no matter what.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Gnork, I know nothing about Scales beyond what the EEI guys have said,
>> describing him as a career minor leaguer and similar to Bailey in that
>> respect.
>>
>> What positions does he play? What sort of a hitter is he? Etc.
>
> I will answer that. First, you may wish to note that on Baseball America's
> site you can find a lot of info on minor league players. Scales played
> college ball at the University of Michigan. Rumor has it he had a part
> time
> job working for McDuck while he was there. He has speed, he is a
> switchhitter, he has as a pro played significanly at 3rd base, 2nd base
> and
> the outfield. He has done exceptionally well vrs LHP. In short he offers a
> lot more than Hinske except he hasn't played firstbase. He is hitting well
> over .300 with a decent amount of walks. He gets a nice amount of 2bs and
> 3bs along with a few HRs. He did very well last year in AAA in the Phils
> system. It may have taken him longer than most to become major league
> ready,
> but that should not now be held against him. Actually since he is 28 a
> team
> putting him in the majors could control all his peak years. That is a
> plus.
>
>

Just to add...MinorLeagueBaseball.com is a great site too.

External Since: Jul 25, 2005 Posts: 68

Gnork desires to dump Hinske and bring up Bobby Scales. On the surface
it may have some merit although there remain some questions.
Now I saw all the ST telecast and do remember Scales making a great
catch in LF during an early spring game. No memory of AB's or infield
defense.

Gnork believes that he can play OF as well as 3rd and 2nd but " he
hasn't played 1B". Not totally correct he did play 4 games there last
year in AAA. He did play 17 games at 3rd and 9 at 2nd last year.I have
no idea through personal observation how well he performs as an
infielder and I doubt that Gnork has observed him play there as well. He
might be a gazelle or wander around like a wounded water buffalo.

Gnork says " he has speed" compared to Hinske I'm sure he does but how
was "he has speed" determined?? For the record last year he stole 3
bases and was caught three times. Although in 05 he did steal 9 and was
caught 5 times.
Now there may be somebody out there who has seen him play enough to
give an opinion based on personal observation. Otherwise mine or Gnorks
or anyone else opinion of Scales abilities is based solely on AAA stats
that don't always tell the whole truth. The road to the Bigs is littered
with the bodies of players who had decent AAA numbers.

"Sweet Lou"