Coco Crisp-At His Level Now?

"Steve Robbins" <srobbins31 DeleteThis @no_spam_yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> gnork wrote:
>> 2007 stats to date: .261 .317 .380
>> 2006 stats .264 .317 .385
>>
>> Just about identical.
>>
>> Career Stats: .280 .327 .412
>>
>> Better, but not a whole lot better.
>
> Depends how you want to look at it. Sometimes a player's early years are
> low and skew numbers. So someone trying to stir the pot (me), could say
> to look at his numbers in the two years before his injured finger.
>
> 2004 .297/.344/.446
> 2005 .300/.345/.465
>
> Still not fantastic, but good and well above his "2007 to date" numbers.
>


And I think that one ought to break down Coco's numbers since he got hot
to see what it looks like he's capable of. I don't think that we can say
that
Coco was fully over his 2006 injury at the start of the 07 season, so it
seems
like his early 07 numbers are a bit skewed by tdhe 06 injury.
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On Jul 14, 12:25 pm, "gnork" <gnor....DeleteThis@earthlink.net> wrote:
> 2007 stats to date: .261 .317 .380
> 2006 stats .264 .317 .385
>
> Just about identical.
>
> Career Stats: .280 .327 .412
>
> Better, but not a whole lot better.
>
> It is possible that his recent surge just got him up to what we should
> expect from him. If the team thiks that is the case, they should try and
> trade him now, while the memory of his hot streak remains strong. They don't
> have to get a major league outfielder in return. They don't have to just
> hand the position to Ellsbury. In Drew's career he has played 215 games in
> CF with a .885 ZR and 762 in RF with a .897 ZR. Not much difference, both
> quite good and also indicative of Drew being switched around with no
> problem.
>
> If they expect this is Coco's level, they should go back to 11 pitchers,
> trade Coco if a decent deal is possible, trade or dump Hinske, bring up
> Ellsbury, Moss and Scales. Moss can play RF well and Drew can play CF well.
> Ellsbury and Moss should both get a lot of playing time and Scales should
> play somewhere against lefties. Moss' stats are better all around than
> Ellsbury so I would not ignore him, dismiss him or trade him lightly. Moss
> has a realistic chance of being a 30+ HR guy in the majors, Ellsbury
> doesn't.

We agree on Moss. I think he might end up being a better hitting (more
power and higher average) less injury prone version of JD Drew.
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gnork wrote:
> 2007 stats to date: .261 .317 .380
> 2006 stats .264 .317 .385
>
> Just about identical.
>
> Career Stats: .280 .327 .412
>
> Better, but not a whole lot better.

Depends how you want to look at it. Sometimes a player's early years
are low and skew numbers. So someone trying to stir the pot (me),
could say to look at his numbers in the two years before his injured finger.

2004 .297/.344/.446
2005 .300/.345/.465

Still not fantastic, but good and well above his "2007 to date" numbers.


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Gnork and others want to give consideration to trading Crisp and bring
up Brandon Moss and Ellsbury to patrol RF while Drew moves to center.
I pay Direct to get NESN from Mar through Sep in order to see the
telecast of ST games, view a few of the PawSox and SeaDog games and for
the pre and post game shows. I watched all the ST games as well as the
televised Paw Sox games this season and I'll be honest I can't recall
anything that Moss did that impressed me. Now that means very little
because it's such a small sample. No doubt the young man has done well
both with the Dogs and PawSox.
So I haven't seen him play that much but some of you must have seen a
fair amount of him. Gnork says he can "play RF well" OK I can't agree or
not as I have no memory of seeing him. He may be Evans for all I know.
"Moss has a realistic chance of being a 30 + HR guy in the majors" OK I
did see his HR in the AAA AS game but that's it. His AA numbers 05 16
and 06 12 and this year with 13 at AAA aren't real power indicators. But
unlike others I haven't seen him play enough to form a solid opinion.So
I'll take your on site judgements as to his all around talent.

"Sweet Lou"
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"Louis Martel" <LouisRMartel.DeleteThis@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> Gnork and others want to give consideration to trading Crisp and bring
> up Brandon Moss and Ellsbury to patrol RF while Drew moves to center.
> I pay Direct to get NESN from Mar through Sep in order to see the
> telecast of ST games, view a few of the PawSox and SeaDog games and for
> the pre and post game shows. I watched all the ST games as well as the
> televised Paw Sox games this season and I'll be honest I can't recall
> anything that Moss did that impressed me. Now that means very little
> because it's such a small sample. No doubt the young man has done well
> both with the Dogs and PawSox.
> So I haven't seen him play that much but some of you must have seen a
> fair amount of him. Gnork says he can "play RF well" OK I can't agree or
> not as I have no memory of seeing him. He may be Evans for all I know.
> "Moss has a realistic chance of being a 30 + HR guy in the majors" OK I
> did see his HR in the AAA AS game but that's it. His AA numbers 05 16
> and 06 12 and this year with 13 at AAA aren't real power indicators. But
> unlike others I haven't seen him play enough to form a solid opinion.So
> I'll take your on site judgements as to his all around talent.
>
> "Sweet Lou"
>

I just don't see the justification for the love for Moss. I'd rather have
Ellsbury
in CF and Drew in RF, than Drew in CF and Moss in right. While Ellsbury
certainly isn't a power hitter by any stretch, I think that we Red Sox fans
don't
have enough appreciation for the value of an outrageously fast slap hitter
who
can patrol CF. Every hitter in a baseball lineup doesn't have to have home
run
power. There are many different ways to contribute to a team's offense and
home runs are only one of them. Heck, with his speed many hits that are
doubles
for most players may turn into triples for Ellsbury, and many grounders that
are
outs for most players may turn into infield hits for the kid.

Now, if people want to talk about Moss as an eventual replacement for Manny
in LF, that's a different discussion.
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"gnork" <gnork44 DeleteThis @earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> 2007 stats to date: .261 .317 .380
> 2006 stats .264 .317 .385
>
> Just about identical.
>
> Career Stats: .280 .327 .412
>
> Better, but not a whole lot better.
>
> It is possible that his recent surge just got him up to what we should
> expect from him. If the team thiks that is the case, they should try and
> trade him now, while the memory of his hot streak remains strong. They
> don't
> have to get a major league outfielder in return. They don't have to just
> hand the position to Ellsbury. In Drew's career he has played 215 games in
> CF with a .885 ZR and 762 in RF with a .897 ZR. Not much difference, both
> quite good and also indicative of Drew being switched around with no
> problem.
>
> If they expect this is Coco's level, they should go back to 11 pitchers,
> trade Coco if a decent deal is possible, trade or dump Hinske, bring up
> Ellsbury, Moss and Scales. Moss can play RF well and Drew can play CF
> well.
> Ellsbury and Moss should both get a lot of playing time and Scales should
> play somewhere against lefties. Moss' stats are better all around than
> Ellsbury so I would not ignore him, dismiss him or trade him lightly. Moss
> has a realistic chance of being a 30+ HR guy in the majors, Ellsbury
> doesn't.
>
>
If, as you say, Coco is performing at the level we expect from him perhaps
we should accept that and hope he improves. Looking for someone to replace
him that will exceed our expectations is tricky, unless your crystal ball is
in good working order.

Fred
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> "gnork" <gnork44.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>> 2007 stats to date: .261 .317 .380
>> 2006 stats .264 .317 .385
>>
>> Just about identical.
>>
>> Career Stats: .280 .327 .412
>>
>> Better, but not a whole lot better.
>>
>> It is possible that his recent surge just got him up to what we should
>> expect from him. If the team thiks that is the case, they should try and
>> trade him now, while the memory of his hot streak remains strong. They
>> don't
>> have to get a major league outfielder in return. They don't have to just
>> hand the position to Ellsbury. In Drew's career he has played 215 games
>> in
>> CF with a .885 ZR and 762 in RF with a .897 ZR. Not much difference, both
>> quite good and also indicative of Drew being switched around with no
>> problem.
>>
>> If they expect this is Coco's level, they should go back to 11 pitchers,
>> trade Coco if a decent deal is possible, trade or dump Hinske, bring up
>> Ellsbury, Moss and Scales. Moss can play RF well and Drew can play CF
>> well.
>> Ellsbury and Moss should both get a lot of playing time and Scales should
>> play somewhere against lefties. Moss' stats are better all around than
>> Ellsbury so I would not ignore him, dismiss him or trade him lightly.
>> Moss
>> has a realistic chance of being a 30+ HR guy in the majors, Ellsbury
>> doesn't.
>>
>>
> If, as you say, Coco is performing at the level we expect from him perhaps
> we should accept that and hope he improves. Looking for someone to replace
> him that will exceed our expectations is tricky, unless your crystal ball
> is in good working order.
>
> Fred
>

I think that the underlying justification for trading Coco now is that
Ellsbury
would take Coco's spot in CF and the Sox would look for other parts in
return for Coco.
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On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 16:25:33 +0000, gnork, during a pipe dream babbled:

> 2007 stats to date: .261 .317 .380
> 2006 stats .264 .317 .385
>
> Just about identical.
>
> Career Stats: .280 .327 .412
>
> Better, but not a whole lot better.

I like to look at 3 year stats. Anything older than that doesn't tell you
much about what the player is likely to do.

..289 .337 .437

The two years before last year were .297 and .300.

I think realistically his upside is somewhere around .300 unless he gets
injured again. To me (and anyone you would want to trade him to) that
would be the big question.

I have no problem trading Coco for propects given bright showing from
Ellsbury. But Crisp isn't highly paid, so there really isn't much
incentive to 'rock the boat' so to speak. And if he does hit .290-.300 or
so for the 2nd half, and play regularly, his trade value will be far
greater. Trading him now is like selling a stock that has just started to
appreciate in value after being stuck with it while it did nothing for a
year and a half. Not really that smart a move.

> If they expect this is Coco's level, they should go back to 11 pitchers,
> trade Coco if a decent deal is possible, trade or dump Hinske, bring up
> Ellsbury, Moss and Scales. Moss can play RF well and Drew can play CF
> well. Ellsbury and Moss should both get a lot of playing time and Scales
> should play somewhere against lefties.

If you bring up both Moss and Ellsbury I don't think they will both get
enough time. It's one thing to have a vet like Hinske on the bench vs. a
22 year old.

The thing that looks like a mistake to me right now is the Drew signing.
Moss might be ready to step into a starting corner OF role well before
that contract is over. Ellsbury isn't a corner OF.

As far as Scales, now that Lugo is hitting there isn't a place on the team
for him unless there is an injury.



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"eric" <eric.DeleteThis@local.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 16:25:33 +0000, gnork, during a pipe dream babbled:
>
>> 2007 stats to date: .261 .317 .380
>> 2006 stats .264 .317 .385
>>
>> Just about identical.
>>
>> Career Stats: .280 .327 .412
>>
>> Better, but not a whole lot better.
>
> I like to look at 3 year stats. Anything older than that doesn't tell you
> much about what the player is likely to do.
>
> .289 .337 .437
>
> The two years before last year were .297 and .300.
>
> I think realistically his upside is somewhere around .300 unless he gets
> injured again. To me (and anyone you would want to trade him to) that
> would be the big question.
>
> I have no problem trading Coco for propects given bright showing from
> Ellsbury. But Crisp isn't highly paid, so there really isn't much
> incentive to 'rock the boat' so to speak. And if he does hit .290-.300 or
> so for the 2nd half, and play regularly, his trade value will be far
> greater. Trading him now is like selling a stock that has just started to
> appreciate in value after being stuck with it while it did nothing for a
> year and a half. Not really that smart a move.
>
>> If they expect this is Coco's level, they should go back to 11 pitchers,
>> trade Coco if a decent deal is possible, trade or dump Hinske, bring up
>> Ellsbury, Moss and Scales. Moss can play RF well and Drew can play CF
>> well. Ellsbury and Moss should both get a lot of playing time and Scales
>> should play somewhere against lefties.
>
> If you bring up both Moss and Ellsbury I don't think they will both get
> enough time. It's one thing to have a vet like Hinske on the bench vs. a
> 22 year old.
>
> The thing that looks like a mistake to me right now is the Drew signing.
> Moss might be ready to step into a starting corner OF role well before
> that contract is over. Ellsbury isn't a corner OF.

I have to think that the Sox don't value Moss that greatly, because if they
did, I'd have thought that they'd have not signed Drew and looked for some
placeholder for RF until Moss was ready.

I think that Ellsbury is fine as a backup corner OF'er in the short term.
But long term, it seems like a waste to not have him in CF. Generally
speaking, the Sox prefer to find players with a little more pop in their
bats to patrol the corner OF positions, particularly LF.


>
> As far as Scales, now that Lugo is hitting there isn't a place on the team
> for him unless there is an injury.

I've also heard the EEI writers describe Scales in the same way as Bailey,
a career minor leaguer, not a prospect. That said, that might not be a bad
thing
for a utility man, since one would hope that a career minor leaguer would be
overjoyed to even sit on the bench on a major league team (if only because
he'd now be making MLB minimum salary).
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"eric" <eric DeleteThis @local.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 16:25:33 +0000, gnork, during a pipe dream babbled:
>
> > 2007 stats to date: .261 .317 .380
> > 2006 stats .264 .317 .385
> >
> > Just about identical.
> >
> > Career Stats: .280 .327 .412
> >
> > Better, but not a whole lot better.
>
> I like to look at 3 year stats. Anything older than that doesn't tell you
> much about what the player is likely to do.
>
> .289 .337 .437
>
> The two years before last year were .297 and .300.
>
> I think realistically his upside is somewhere around .300 unless he gets
> injured again. To me (and anyone you would want to trade him to) that
> would be the big question.
>
> I have no problem trading Coco for propects given bright showing from
> Ellsbury. But Crisp isn't highly paid, so there really isn't much
> incentive to 'rock the boat' so to speak. And if he does hit .290-.300 or
> so for the 2nd half, and play regularly, his trade value will be far
> greater. Trading him now is like selling a stock that has just started to
> appreciate in value after being stuck with it while it did nothing for a
> year and a half. Not really that smart a move.
>
> > If they expect this is Coco's level, they should go back to 11 pitchers,
> > trade Coco if a decent deal is possible, trade or dump Hinske, bring up
> > Ellsbury, Moss and Scales. Moss can play RF well and Drew can play CF
> > well. Ellsbury and Moss should both get a lot of playing time and Scales
> > should play somewhere against lefties.
>
> If you bring up both Moss and Ellsbury I don't think they will both get
> enough time. It's one thing to have a vet like Hinske on the bench vs. a
> 22 year old.

If Crisp was traded they could each get decent playing time. Notice I said
earlier "if the team feels he won't be better." If not and he stays and does
well, that is fine. I would trade him over the winter.
>
> The thing that looks like a mistake to me right now is the Drew signing.
> Moss might be ready to step into a starting corner OF role well before
> that contract is over. Ellsbury isn't a corner OF.
>
> As far as Scales, now that Lugo is hitting there isn't a place on the team
> for him unless there is an injury.

Scales has nothing to do with Lugo. I would dump Hinske for him.
I would go to 11 pitchers no matter what.
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"gnork" <gnork44 DeleteThis @earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> "eric" <eric DeleteThis @local.net> wrote in message
> news:pan.2007.07.15.04.06.51.985428@local.net...
>> On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 16:25:33 +0000, gnork, during a pipe dream babbled:
>>
>> > 2007 stats to date: .261 .317 .380
>> > 2006 stats .264 .317 .385
>> >
>> > Just about identical.
>> >
>> > Career Stats: .280 .327 .412
>> >
>> > Better, but not a whole lot better.
>>
>> I like to look at 3 year stats. Anything older than that doesn't tell you
>> much about what the player is likely to do.
>>
>> .289 .337 .437
>>
>> The two years before last year were .297 and .300.
>>
>> I think realistically his upside is somewhere around .300 unless he gets
>> injured again. To me (and anyone you would want to trade him to) that
>> would be the big question.
>>
>> I have no problem trading Coco for propects given bright showing from
>> Ellsbury. But Crisp isn't highly paid, so there really isn't much
>> incentive to 'rock the boat' so to speak. And if he does hit .290-.300 or
>> so for the 2nd half, and play regularly, his trade value will be far
>> greater. Trading him now is like selling a stock that has just started to
>> appreciate in value after being stuck with it while it did nothing for a
>> year and a half. Not really that smart a move.
>>
>> > If they expect this is Coco's level, they should go back to 11
>> > pitchers,
>> > trade Coco if a decent deal is possible, trade or dump Hinske, bring up
>> > Ellsbury, Moss and Scales. Moss can play RF well and Drew can play CF
>> > well. Ellsbury and Moss should both get a lot of playing time and
>> > Scales
>> > should play somewhere against lefties.
>>
>> If you bring up both Moss and Ellsbury I don't think they will both get
>> enough time. It's one thing to have a vet like Hinske on the bench vs. a
>> 22 year old.
>
> If Crisp was traded they could each get decent playing time. Notice I said
> earlier "if the team feels he won't be better." If not and he stays and
> does
> well, that is fine. I would trade him over the winter.
>>
>> The thing that looks like a mistake to me right now is the Drew signing.
>> Moss might be ready to step into a starting corner OF role well before
>> that contract is over. Ellsbury isn't a corner OF.
>>
>> As far as Scales, now that Lugo is hitting there isn't a place on the
>> team
>> for him unless there is an injury.
>
> Scales has nothing to do with Lugo. I would dump Hinske for him.
> I would go to 11 pitchers no matter what.
>
>

Gnork, I know nothing about Scales beyond what the EEI guys have said,
describing him as a career minor leaguer and similar to Bailey in that
respect.

What positions does he play? What sort of a hitter is he? Etc.
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> "gnork" <gnork44.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> > "eric" <eric.TakeThisOut@local.net> wrote in message
> > news:pan.2007.07.15.04.06.51.985428@local.net...
> >> On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 16:25:33 +0000, gnork, during a pipe dream babbled:
> >>
> >> > 2007 stats to date: .261 .317 .380
> >> > 2006 stats .264 .317 .385
> >> >
> >> > Just about identical.
> >> >
> >> > Career Stats: .280 .327 .412
> >> >
> >> > Better, but not a whole lot better.
> >>
> >> I like to look at 3 year stats. Anything older than that doesn't tell
you
> >> much about what the player is likely to do.
> >>
> >> .289 .337 .437
> >>
> >> The two years before last year were .297 and .300.
> >>
> >> I think realistically his upside is somewhere around .300 unless he
gets
> >> injured again. To me (and anyone you would want to trade him to) that
> >> would be the big question.
> >>
> >> I have no problem trading Coco for propects given bright showing from
> >> Ellsbury. But Crisp isn't highly paid, so there really isn't much
> >> incentive to 'rock the boat' so to speak. And if he does hit .290-.300
or
> >> so for the 2nd half, and play regularly, his trade value will be far
> >> greater. Trading him now is like selling a stock that has just started
to
> >> appreciate in value after being stuck with it while it did nothing for
a
> >> year and a half. Not really that smart a move.
> >>
> >> > If they expect this is Coco's level, they should go back to 11
> >> > pitchers,
> >> > trade Coco if a decent deal is possible, trade or dump Hinske, bring
up
> >> > Ellsbury, Moss and Scales. Moss can play RF well and Drew can play CF
> >> > well. Ellsbury and Moss should both get a lot of playing time and
> >> > Scales
> >> > should play somewhere against lefties.
> >>
> >> If you bring up both Moss and Ellsbury I don't think they will both get
> >> enough time. It's one thing to have a vet like Hinske on the bench vs.
a
> >> 22 year old.
> >
> > If Crisp was traded they could each get decent playing time. Notice I
said
> > earlier "if the team feels he won't be better." If not and he stays and
> > does
> > well, that is fine. I would trade him over the winter.
> >>
> >> The thing that looks like a mistake to me right now is the Drew
signing.
> >> Moss might be ready to step into a starting corner OF role well before
> >> that contract is over. Ellsbury isn't a corner OF.
> >>
> >> As far as Scales, now that Lugo is hitting there isn't a place on the
> >> team
> >> for him unless there is an injury.
> >
> > Scales has nothing to do with Lugo. I would dump Hinske for him.
> > I would go to 11 pitchers no matter what.
> >
> >
>
> Gnork, I know nothing about Scales beyond what the EEI guys have said,
> describing him as a career minor leaguer and similar to Bailey in that
> respect.
>
> What positions does he play? What sort of a hitter is he? Etc.

I will answer that. First, you may wish to note that on Baseball America's
site you can find a lot of info on minor league players. Scales played
college ball at the University of Michigan. Rumor has it he had a part time
job working for McDuck while he was there. He has speed, he is a
switchhitter, he has as a pro played significanly at 3rd base, 2nd base and
the outfield. He has done exceptionally well vrs LHP. In short he offers a
lot more than Hinske except he hasn't played firstbase. He is hitting well
over .300 with a decent amount of walks. He gets a nice amount of 2bs and
3bs along with a few HRs. He did very well last year in AAA in the Phils
system. It may have taken him longer than most to become major league ready,
but that should not now be held against him. Actually since he is 28 a team
putting him in the majors could control all his peak years. That is a plus.
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>> > "eric" <eric.DeleteThis@local.net> wrote in message
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>> >> On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 16:25:33 +0000, gnork, during a pipe dream
>> >> babbled:
>> >>
>> >> > 2007 stats to date: .261 .317 .380
>> >> > 2006 stats .264 .317 .385
>> >> >
>> >> > Just about identical.
>> >> >
>> >> > Career Stats: .280 .327 .412
>> >> >
>> >> > Better, but not a whole lot better.
>> >>
>> >> I like to look at 3 year stats. Anything older than that doesn't tell
> you
>> >> much about what the player is likely to do.
>> >>
>> >> .289 .337 .437
>> >>
>> >> The two years before last year were .297 and .300.
>> >>
>> >> I think realistically his upside is somewhere around .300 unless he
> gets
>> >> injured again. To me (and anyone you would want to trade him to) that
>> >> would be the big question.
>> >>
>> >> I have no problem trading Coco for propects given bright showing from
>> >> Ellsbury. But Crisp isn't highly paid, so there really isn't much
>> >> incentive to 'rock the boat' so to speak. And if he does hit .290-.300
> or
>> >> so for the 2nd half, and play regularly, his trade value will be far
>> >> greater. Trading him now is like selling a stock that has just started
> to
>> >> appreciate in value after being stuck with it while it did nothing for
> a
>> >> year and a half. Not really that smart a move.
>> >>
>> >> > If they expect this is Coco's level, they should go back to 11
>> >> > pitchers,
>> >> > trade Coco if a decent deal is possible, trade or dump Hinske, bring
> up
>> >> > Ellsbury, Moss and Scales. Moss can play RF well and Drew can play
>> >> > CF
>> >> > well. Ellsbury and Moss should both get a lot of playing time and
>> >> > Scales
>> >> > should play somewhere against lefties.
>> >>
>> >> If you bring up both Moss and Ellsbury I don't think they will both
>> >> get
>> >> enough time. It's one thing to have a vet like Hinske on the bench vs.
> a
>> >> 22 year old.
>> >
>> > If Crisp was traded they could each get decent playing time. Notice I
> said
>> > earlier "if the team feels he won't be better." If not and he stays and
>> > does
>> > well, that is fine. I would trade him over the winter.
>> >>
>> >> The thing that looks like a mistake to me right now is the Drew
> signing.
>> >> Moss might be ready to step into a starting corner OF role well before
>> >> that contract is over. Ellsbury isn't a corner OF.
>> >>
>> >> As far as Scales, now that Lugo is hitting there isn't a place on the
>> >> team
>> >> for him unless there is an injury.
>> >
>> > Scales has nothing to do with Lugo. I would dump Hinske for him.
>> > I would go to 11 pitchers no matter what.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Gnork, I know nothing about Scales beyond what the EEI guys have said,
>> describing him as a career minor leaguer and similar to Bailey in that
>> respect.
>>
>> What positions does he play? What sort of a hitter is he? Etc.
>
> I will answer that. First, you may wish to note that on Baseball America's
> site you can find a lot of info on minor league players. Scales played
> college ball at the University of Michigan. Rumor has it he had a part
> time
> job working for McDuck while he was there. He has speed, he is a
> switchhitter, he has as a pro played significanly at 3rd base, 2nd base
> and
> the outfield. He has done exceptionally well vrs LHP. In short he offers a
> lot more than Hinske except he hasn't played firstbase. He is hitting well
> over .300 with a decent amount of walks. He gets a nice amount of 2bs and
> 3bs along with a few HRs. He did very well last year in AAA in the Phils
> system. It may have taken him longer than most to become major league
> ready,
> but that should not now be held against him. Actually since he is 28 a
> team
> putting him in the majors could control all his peak years. That is a
> plus.
>
>

So why hasn't he made a major league squad yet? Has he been stuck with
the label "career minor leaguer" and cannot get beyond that?

That said, if his only positions are 2B, 3B, and OF, I can see why may not
have
been called up to the Sox. Remember that Hinske is primarily the Sox'
backup 1B,
with his other positions being gravy for the team. It seems hard to justify
replacing
Hinske with Scales, since Scales doesn't play 1B. Now, if we were talking
about
a 4th or 5th outfielder (I don't know how much OF Scales has played or if
he's
really worthy of being a 4th/5th OFer), he might be a better fit.

I'll agree that this kid looks like he'd be a nice utility player. I just
don't see how
he can fit into the Red Sox current mix. After all, the Sox are not going
to go with
Ortiz as the only backup 1B-man on the roster.

Also, while I've never seen this kid, it would seem that his flexibility as
a utility
player would be enhanced if he could add either 1B or SS to his repetiore.
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