Tigers going after Cabrera and/or Willis

"Brian Matthews" <noonecares.TakeThisOut@ddd.com> wrote in message
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> All that talk of Maybin being untouchable? Get Willis and the Tigers
> would be very serious contenders next year. Cabrera can play in the
> outfield, but I think he would be our 3rd baseman. Throw Inge into the
> deal. Make it Inge, Maybin and Miller for Cabrera and Willis. Wow,
> our pitching would be great and our line up would be dangerous.
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> http://tinyurl.com/yt5uxk
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> "Some players the Tigers could be willing to part with for Cabrera
> and/or Willis are outfielder Cameron Maybin and left-hander Andrew
> Miller"
>

I would love this trade. Yes you have to give to get. And I believe that
Willis might benefit from a change of venue, and he is an innings eater.
But Cabrera is the prize.

I wonder though if Florida is using us for a better deal in Anahiem... Hope
not.
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>> All that talk of Maybin being untouchable? Get Willis and the Tigers
>> would be very serious contenders next year. Cabrera can play in the
>> outfield, but I think he would be our 3rd baseman. Throw Inge into the
>> deal. Make it Inge, Maybin and Miller for Cabrera and Willis. Wow,
>> our pitching would be great and our line up would be dangerous.
>>
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/yt5uxk
>>
>>
>> "Some players the Tigers could be willing to part with for Cabrera
>> and/or Willis are outfielder Cameron Maybin and left-hander Andrew
>> Miller"
>>
>
> I would love this trade. Yes you have to give to get. And I believe that
> Willis might benefit from a change of venue, and he is an innings eater.
> But Cabrera is the prize.
>
> I wonder though if Florida is using us for a better deal in Anahiem...
> Hope not.


If the Angels get Cabrera, bet your house on them winning an AL
Championship.
Willis for Miller doesn't excite me, but the prospect of getting Cabrera
does. As for Maybin being "untouchable," often that word means if you want
him, you're going to have to offer something really big, and here we have
something really big. I would think that there are only two guys in the
Tiger organization today who are truly "untouchable," and they would be
Verlander and Ordonez, simply because you can't trade up from there.



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On Dec 4, 3:57 pm, "Bill Kawalec" <billkawa....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > All that talk of Maybin being untouchable? Get Willis and the Tigers
> > would be very serious contenders next year. Cabrera can play in the
> > outfield, but I think he would be our 3rd baseman. Throw Inge into the
> > deal. Make it Inge, Maybin and Miller for Cabrera and Willis. Wow,
> > our pitching would be great and our line up would be dangerous.
>
> I can't get that excited about Willis, with his 5.17 ERA (in the NL) last
> year,

Make that ONE opinion....this proves you spout a lot and do good
googling to spew facts, but without any foundation. Your data is OK,
but BK, you have NO baseball knowledge.
Oh Lord, I think thee....for what I am about to do....
*PLONK* (I'll release you in about a month).

Sir Creep
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According to what Albom is saying on the radio right now, the deal is
complete, and, the lead headline on the Tiger's website says "Tigers set to
acquire Cabrera, Willis," so it looks like it's gonna happen. Supposedly,
the Tigers are giving up four other prospects, besides Maybin and Miller.




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>>> All that talk of Maybin being untouchable? Get Willis and the Tigers
>>> would be very serious contenders next year. Cabrera can play in the
>>> outfield, but I think he would be our 3rd baseman. Throw Inge into the
>>> deal. Make it Inge, Maybin and Miller for Cabrera and Willis. Wow,
>>> our pitching would be great and our line up would be dangerous.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/yt5uxk
>>>
>>>
>>> "Some players the Tigers could be willing to part with for Cabrera
>>> and/or Willis are outfielder Cameron Maybin and left-hander Andrew
>>> Miller"
>>>
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>> I would love this trade. Yes you have to give to get. And I believe
>> that Willis might benefit from a change of venue, and he is an innings
>> eater. But Cabrera is the prize.
>>
>> I wonder though if Florida is using us for a better deal in Anahiem...
>> Hope not.
>
>
> If the Angels get Cabrera, bet your house on them winning an AL
> Championship.
> Willis for Miller doesn't excite me, but the prospect of getting Cabrera
> does. As for Maybin being "untouchable," often that word means if you want
> him, you're going to have to offer something really big, and here we have
> something really big. I would think that there are only two guys in the
> Tiger organization today who are truly "untouchable," and they would be
> Verlander and Ordonez, simply because you can't trade up from there.
>
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http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071204/SPORTS02/71204065





"NASHVILLE, Tenn. - The Tigers have acquired third baseman Miguel Cabrera
and left-hander Dontrelle Willis from the Florida Marlins in exchange for a
package of six prospects including outfielder Cameron Maybin and left-hander
Andrew Miller.

The package of prospects includes catch Mike Rabelo, RHP Burke Badenhop, RHP
Eulogio de la Cruz and another right-handed pitcher from the organization."
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"Brian Matthews" <noonecares DeleteThis @ddd.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 17:57:45 -0500, "Bill Kawalec"
> <billkawalec DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>I would think that there are only two guys in the
>>Tiger organization today who are truly "untouchable," and they would be
>>Verlander and Ordonez, simply because you can't trade up from there.
>>
>
> I was thinking about this too. The Tigers stockpiled talent at the
> minor league level to use for trades for players needed at the major
> league level. IMO, Polanco, Mags, Granderson are the 3 position
> players I wouldn't trade. As for pitchers? Verlander for sure. But the
> rest of the starters would be up for grabs, if we got a better starter
> in return. Cabrera's defense at 3rd base isn't the best and we're
> already set in the OF, so would we go with his offense at 3rd and put
> up with his defense?


I think so, because we're talking a **serious** upgrade in offense.




At upgrade of offense but a downgrade on defense?
> If you just look at the numbers, Inge and Cabrera's fielding
> percentage are about the same. But Inge CAN make that spectacular play
> to kill other teams innings. I don't know, I never watched Cabrera at
> 3rd base for an entire season. I really trust Dombrowski to make the
> right move, though. That guy really knows talent and how to build a
> team. At least I'm starting to get excited about opening day.
>
> Brian
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"Brian Matthews" <noonecares.TakeThisOut@ddd.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 17:57:45 -0500, "Bill Kawalec"
> <billkawalec.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>I would think that there are only two guys in the
>>Tiger organization today who are truly "untouchable," and they would be
>>Verlander and Ordonez, simply because you can't trade up from there.
>>
>
> I was thinking about this too. The Tigers stockpiled talent at the
> minor league level to use for trades for players needed at the major
> league level. IMO, Polanco, Mags, Granderson are the 3 position
> players I wouldn't trade. As for pitchers? Verlander for sure. But the
> rest of the starters would be up for grabs, if we got a better starter
> in return. Cabrera's defense at 3rd base isn't the best and we're
> already set in the OF, so would we go with his offense at 3rd and put
> up with his defense? At upgrade of offense but a downgrade on defense?
> If you just look at the numbers, Inge and Cabrera's fielding
> percentage are about the same. But Inge CAN make that spectacular play
> to kill other teams innings. I don't know, I never watched Cabrera at
> 3rd base for an entire season. I really trust Dombrowski to make the
> right move, though. That guy really knows talent and how to build a
> team. At least I'm starting to get excited about opening day.
>
> Brian

Nice trade.
Is it April yet?
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"Brian Matthews" <noonecares.RemoveThis@ddd.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 17:57:45 -0500, "Bill Kawalec"
> <billkawalec.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>I would think that there are only two guys in the
>>Tiger organization today who are truly "untouchable," and they would be
>>Verlander and Ordonez, simply because you can't trade up from there.
>>
>
> I was thinking about this too. The Tigers stockpiled talent at the
> minor league level to use for trades for players needed at the major
> league level. IMO, Polanco, Mags, Granderson are the 3 position
> players I wouldn't trade. As for pitchers? Verlander for sure.



Okay, if I were making the list, Granderson would be third, behind the two I
previously mentioned, but, if say the Brewers were fool enough to trade
Prince Fielder for him, I'd have to do it. You can't offer me enough to part
with Verlander or Ordonez. Well, you WOULDN'T offer enough. Ya know? We
could go off on ridiculous hypotheticals, like what if they offered Fielder
and a LHP prospect, but that ain't gonna happen.









But the
> rest of the starters would be up for grabs, if we got a better starter
> in return. Cabrera's defense at 3rd base isn't the best and we're
> already set in the OF, so would we go with his offense at 3rd and put
> up with his defense? At upgrade of offense but a downgrade on defense?
> If you just look at the numbers, Inge and Cabrera's fielding
> percentage are about the same. But Inge CAN make that spectacular play
> to kill other teams innings. I don't know, I never watched Cabrera at
> 3rd base for an entire season. I really trust Dombrowski to make the
> right move, though. That guy really knows talent and how to build a
> team. At least I'm starting to get excited about opening day.
>
> Brian
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"Bill Kawalec" <billkawalec.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071204/SPORTS02/71204065
>
>
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> "NASHVILLE, Tenn. - The Tigers have acquired third baseman Miguel Cabrera
> and left-hander Dontrelle Willis from the Florida Marlins in exchange for
> a package of six prospects including outfielder Cameron Maybin and
> left-hander Andrew Miller.
>
> The package of prospects includes catch Mike Rabelo, RHP Burke Badenhop,



With a name like "Badenhop," he should be a middle infielder...





RHP
> Eulogio de la Cruz and another right-handed pitcher from the
> organization."
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"Brian Matthews" <noonecares DeleteThis @ddd.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 18:54:39 -0500, "Bill Kawalec"
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>>http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071204/SPORTS02/71204065
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>>"NASHVILLE, Tenn. - The Tigers have acquired third baseman Miguel Cabrera
>>and left-hander Dontrelle Willis from the Florida Marlins in exchange for
>>a
>>package of six prospects including outfielder Cameron Maybin and
>>left-hander
>>Andrew Miller.
>>
>>The package of prospects includes catch Mike Rabelo, RHP Burke Badenhop,
>>RHP
>>Eulogio de la Cruz and another right-handed pitcher from the
>>organization."
>>
>
> I hope we can keep Cabrera for longer than just the 2 years before he
> can be a FA. Same with Willis, if he's effective. They can both be
> free agents after 2 more years. And....I hope the last pitcher isn't
> Rick Porcello, who they can't officially trade until one year after we
> drafted him, unless the rules have changed.
>
> Bill? Have you watched Cabrera much at 3rd base? How's his defense?
> Think the Tigers will use him in LF instead of Jones?

No. I think Jones is an upgrade in left from '07, and the offensive upgrade
at 3B will be well worth it. I haven't seen him much either, but, I have not
heard anyone classifying him as a defensive liability. In spite of the last
sentence in the Freep article (which I did npt quote), I'd be looking to
hold on to either Thames or Inge as a utility man. I'd prefer Inge because,
if need be, he could probably cover middle infield. Then again, maybe Thames
will be platooning with Jones. IMO, the Freep is speculating based on
nothing...







I guess it's a
> nice problem to have. This is going to quite a line up. Wow, I'm
> floored. This came about so quickly I didn't have time to even think
> about it. Like I said, In Dave I Trust. : )
>
> Brian
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