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Since: Dec 07, 2006 Posts: 399
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 8:25 am
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....what should they do from a personnel standpoint moving forward, with
the idea that "wait until next year" might yet again be the mantra of
this team.
I say that an OF of Dunn in LF and Bruce in RF looks like a good start
to me. Do they bring in a FA CF? Is Jay good enough to play there every
day in the Majors, and if so, who plays RF? Are their splits that
suggest we could man CF with what's on hand (Patterson, Freel,
Hopper...I don't mind Patterson playing for his glove, but batting 8th
and not for $3 mil so...). Are their CF in the minors who will be ready
(anyone who brings up Chris Dickerson here hasn't been paying
attention).
Looks like Votto is our 1B of the now and the future. Phillips is locked
up at 2B. Who plays SS next year (Is A-Gon signed)? Is Keppinger really
good enough defensively to play there every day if you plan on your team
actually being good? How about 3B? Kepp? Edwin? I could see them dealing
Edwin and playing Keppinger at 3B...in fact, depending on what Edwin
would bring, I might even advocate that.
Paul Bako is an aberration,this season, of course. David Ross is going
to be too expensive for what he is, if he's not already. Javy isn't the
full time answer (don't mind any of those guys on the roster, per
se...but I'd like only one of them, and as the backup...let Aaron Harang
pick him).
Pitching is too uncertain and too much a health risk in general to count
any chickens, so I'll just say that Matt Belisle's had his chances. This
to me was his make or break season. Much like Brandon Claussen a few
seasons ago, Belisle showed some flashes of becoming a legit ML pitcher
last year, along with some stinkers. He was inconsistent, but seemed to
me to be worth finding out about. He has, to say the least, not seized
that opportunity. Of course, he's probably hurt...but either way...
At this point I'd say the 2009 rotation looks like Harang, Volquez,
Arroyo, Cueto and Bailey.
They can cobble something together out in the pen and be successful with
it, given the pieces in place for next season already (They need to find
someone to start taking over for Weathers, who's been a warrior and a
vital part of the pen). Jocketty had some success doing that with the
Cards...but I figure that was Duncan telling him whom to go get.
To me, it looks like primarily a question of CF and SS (Is A-Gon
signed?) for next season. And, more importantly than anything, continued
development of the younger players and pitchers.
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Since: May 21, 2007 Posts: 281
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 9:34 am
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Kevin McClave wrote:
> ...what should they do from a personnel standpoint moving forward, with
> the idea that "wait until next year" might yet again be the mantra of
> this team.
>
> I say that an OF of Dunn in LF and Bruce in RF looks like a good start
> to me. Do they bring in a FA CF? Is Jay good enough to play there every
> day in the Majors, and if so, who plays RF?
Yes. He is. He's a better centerfielder than Junior was a couple years
ago. He's a better centerfielder than Freel and probably Hopper. He
doesn't have Patterson's range, but he can play there. Certainly in this
park.
> Are their splits that
> suggest we could man CF with what's on hand (Patterson, Freel,
> Hopper...I don't mind Patterson playing for his glove, but batting 8th
> and not for $3 mil so...).
They would do better to set Bruce over there and bring in an oldster for
a year or two.
>Are their CF in the minors who will be ready
> (anyone who brings up Chris Dickerson here hasn't been paying
> attention).
Chris...never mind. The short answer to your question is that Szymanski
and Stubbs can both play center and both still have a bit of prospect
left on them. They need to move forward this year or they'll become
Chris Dickerson.
> Looks like Votto is our 1B of the now and the future. Phillips is locked
> up at 2B. Who plays SS next year (Is A-Gon signed)? Is Keppinger really
> good enough defensively to play there every day if you plan on your team
> actually being good? How about 3B? Kepp? Edwin? I could see them dealing
> Edwin and playing Keppinger at 3B...in fact, depending on what Edwin
> would bring, I might even advocate that.
Watching Hairston at short last night made me think....with all the K's
from this pitching staff, this team doesn't really need an elite fielder
at short. Keppinger (if he heals) can cover it.
I think the organization needs to make a decision about Edwin. He's
gotta be close to arbitration. He's got a ton of range, but he's never
gonna settle down with his throwing. While he's hit, he's not gonna
carry a team. They have a bunch of guys in the minors that project as
thirdbasemen.
> Paul Bako is an aberration,this season, of course. David Ross is going
> to be too expensive for what he is, if he's not already. Javy isn't the
> full time answer (don't mind any of those guys on the roster, per
> se...but I'd like only one of them, and as the backup...let Aaron Harang
> pick him).
I think it's odd that Ryan Hanigan is on the 40 man roster. He would
actually do a reasonable job as a backup catcher. They could really use
a player here.
> Pitching is too uncertain and too much a health risk in general to count
> any chickens, so I'll just say that Matt Belisle's had his chances. This
> to me was his make or break season. Much like Brandon Claussen a few
> seasons ago, Belisle showed some flashes of becoming a legit ML pitcher
> last year, along with some stinkers. He was inconsistent, but seemed to
> me to be worth finding out about. He has, to say the least, not seized
> that opportunity. Of course, he's probably hurt...but either way...
Part of the problem the reds have had with the shuffling of managers and
GM's is that it become almost impossible to deal somebody like Belisle.
He's a pumpkin at this point. Likely the reds will end up releasing him
and he'll go all Pete Schourek for somebody else.
> At this point I'd say the 2009 rotation looks like Harang, Volquez,
> Arroyo, Cueto and Bailey.
>
> They can cobble something together out in the pen and be successful with
> it, given the pieces in place for next season already (They need to find
> someone to start taking over for Weathers, who's been a warrior and a
> vital part of the pen). Jocketty had some success doing that with the
> Cards...but I figure that was Duncan telling him whom to go get.
>
> To me, it looks like primarily a question of CF and SS (Is A-Gon
> signed?) for next season. And, more importantly than anything, continued
> development of the younger players and pitchers.
One outfielder and a catcher. The bench needs to be reworked.
More/Better arms in the bullpen wouldn't hurt.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 9:34 am
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On May 28, 8:42 am, David Short
<David.no.Sh....DeleteThis@Spam.Wright.Please.edu> wrote:
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> > When's the last time this team had a good bench? 1999?
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> That's an interesting question. Wish I had time to delve into it.
>
> Remind me about that during the off season.
>
2005 wasnt bad, when they had Freel/Pena/Valentin. All 3 had good
years mainly as backups. Not surprisingly, the Reds had one of thier
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Since: Dec 07, 2006 Posts: 399
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 11:17 am
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On Wed, 28 May 2008 09:34:15 -0400, David Short
<David.no.Short.RemoveThis@Spam.Wright.Please.edu> wrote:
>Kevin McClave wrote:
>> ...what should they do from a personnel standpoint moving forward, with
>> the idea that "wait until next year" might yet again be the mantra of
>> this team.
>>
>> I say that an OF of Dunn in LF and Bruce in RF looks like a good start
>> to me. Do they bring in a FA CF? Is Jay good enough to play there every
>> day in the Majors, and if so, who plays RF?
>
>Yes. He is. He's a better centerfielder than Junior was a couple years
>ago.
So am I.
>He's a better centerfielder than Freel and probably Hopper. He
>doesn't have Patterson's range, but he can play there. Certainly in this
>park.
Is he an Austin Kearns or Wily Mo Pena CF, or a "real" CF? Both of those
guys *could* play CF (and did). Just trying to get a sense of his actual
defensive ability there. Some of what you said is damning with faint
praise and he's not been purely a CF in the minors.
How would you characterize him in the larger Major League universe?
Average defensively? Below? Above? Elite?
I ask this question in the same spirit as my comment about Keppinger
being the everyday SS. Sure, you *can* play him there, but is he a
starting caliber defensive SS if you're serious about fielding a good
team? Is Bruce a good CF defensively, or is it just that he's the best
option we have?
>> Are their splits that
>> suggest we could man CF with what's on hand (Patterson, Freel,
>> Hopper...I don't mind Patterson playing for his glove, but batting 8th
>> and not for $3 mil so...).
>
>They would do better to set Bruce over there and bring in an oldster for
>a year or two.
Not clear on what you mean. Bruce in CF, oldster in RF? or the other way
around?
>> Looks like Votto is our 1B of the now and the future. Phillips is locked
>> up at 2B. Who plays SS next year (Is A-Gon signed)? Is Keppinger really
>> good enough defensively to play there every day if you plan on your team
>> actually being good? How about 3B? Kepp? Edwin? I could see them dealing
>> Edwin and playing Keppinger at 3B...in fact, depending on what Edwin
>> would bring, I might even advocate that.
>
>Watching Hairston at short last night made me think....with all the K's
>from this pitching staff, this team doesn't really need an elite fielder
>at short. Keppinger (if he heals) can cover it.
Good point. In fact, Dan (I think...maybe it was Ron) said as much when
they signed Gonzalez. (I think that had more to do with flyballs at that
time than it did Ks)
>> Paul Bako is an aberration,this season, of course. David Ross is going
>> to be too expensive for what he is, if he's not already. Javy isn't the
>> full time answer (don't mind any of those guys on the roster, per
>> se...but I'd like only one of them, and as the backup...let Aaron Harang
>> pick him).
>
>I think it's odd that Ryan Hanigan is on the 40 man roster. He would
>actually do a reasonable job as a backup catcher. They could really use
>a player here.
The options for backup C could be a lot worse. Of course, they need a
starter.
>> Pitching is too uncertain and too much a health risk in general to count
>> any chickens, so I'll just say that Matt Belisle's had his chances. This
>> to me was his make or break season. Much like Brandon Claussen a few
>> seasons ago, Belisle showed some flashes of becoming a legit ML pitcher
>> last year, along with some stinkers. He was inconsistent, but seemed to
>> me to be worth finding out about. He has, to say the least, not seized
>> that opportunity. Of course, he's probably hurt...but either way...
>
>Part of the problem the reds have had with the shuffling of managers and
>GM's is that it become almost impossible to deal somebody like Belisle.
>He's a pumpkin at this point. Likely the reds will end up releasing him
>and he'll go all Pete Schourek for somebody else.
I doubt it strongly. Name the last guy the Reds
released/traded/waived/etc. that did anything like that. Hancock had a
good year in St. Louis, but...
>> At this point I'd say the 2009 rotation looks like Harang, Volquez,
>> Arroyo, Cueto and Bailey.
>>
>> They can cobble something together out in the pen and be successful with
>> it, given the pieces in place for next season already (They need to find
>> someone to start taking over for Weathers, who's been a warrior and a
>> vital part of the pen). Jocketty had some success doing that with the
>> Cards...but I figure that was Duncan telling him whom to go get.
>>
>> To me, it looks like primarily a question of CF and SS (Is A-Gon
>> signed?) for next season. And, more importantly than anything, continued
>> development of the younger players and pitchers.
>
>One outfielder and a catcher. The bench needs to be reworked.
>More/Better arms in the bullpen wouldn't hurt.
Well, those more/better arms in the pen come via cobbling, and from Bill
Bray developing.
When's the last time this team had a good bench? 1999?
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 11:42 am
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Kevin McClave wrote:
> On Wed, 28 May 2008 09:34:15 -0400, David Short
> <David.no.Short DeleteThis @Spam.Wright.Please.edu> wrote:
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>> Kevin McClave wrote:
>>> ...what should they do from a personnel standpoint moving forward, with
>>> the idea that "wait until next year" might yet again be the mantra of
>>> this team.
>>>
>>> I say that an OF of Dunn in LF and Bruce in RF looks like a good start
>>> to me. Do they bring in a FA CF? Is Jay good enough to play there every
>>> day in the Majors, and if so, who plays RF?
>> Yes. He is. He's a better centerfielder than Junior was a couple years
>> ago.
>
> So am I.
>
>> He's a better centerfielder than Freel and probably Hopper. He
>> doesn't have Patterson's range, but he can play there. Certainly in this
>> park.
>
> Is he an Austin Kearns or Wily Mo Pena CF, or a "real" CF? Both of those
> guys *could* play CF (and did). Just trying to get a sense of his actual
> defensive ability there. Some of what you said is damning with faint
> praise and he's not been purely a CF in the minors.
>
> How would you characterize him in the larger Major League universe?
> Average defensively? Below? Above? Elite?
He's not as athletic as Pena, but he has much better instincts.
In this park he would be adequate. (If they hit) I would move him for
either Stubbs or Szymanski, but Bruce is as good in center as Dickerson
is and that's not terrible.
> I ask this question in the same spirit as my comment about Keppinger
> being the everyday SS. Sure, you *can* play him there, but is he a
> starting caliber defensive SS if you're serious about fielding a good
> team? Is Bruce a good CF defensively, or is it just that he's the best
> option we have?
I think Keppinger belongs at short and Bruce belongs in center more than
Edwin belongs at third and Junior belongs in right. Junior in right is
getting to be a problem.
>>> Are their splits that
>>> suggest we could man CF with what's on hand (Patterson, Freel,
>>> Hopper...I don't mind Patterson playing for his glove, but batting 8th
>>> and not for $3 mil so...).
>> They would do better to set Bruce over there and bring in an oldster for
>> a year or two.
>
> Not clear on what you mean. Bruce in CF, oldster in RF? or the other way
> around?
I think they can afford to sign a minor free agent to cover right for a
year or two and leave Bruce in center.
> When's the last time this team had a good bench? 1999?
That's an interesting question. Wish I had time to delve into it.
Remind me about that during the off season.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 1:19 pm
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On Wed, 28 May 2008 11:42:45 -0400, David Short
<David.no.Short DeleteThis @Spam.Wright.Please.edu> wrote:
>Kevin McClave wrote:
>> I ask this question in the same spirit as my comment about Keppinger
>> being the everyday SS. Sure, you *can* play him there, but is he a
>> starting caliber defensive SS if you're serious about fielding a good
>> team? Is Bruce a good CF defensively, or is it just that he's the best
>> option we have?
>
>I think Keppinger belongs at short and Bruce belongs in center more than
> Edwin belongs at third and Junior belongs in right. Junior in right is
>getting to be a problem.
>
>>>> Are their splits that
>>>> suggest we could man CF with what's on hand (Patterson, Freel,
>>>> Hopper...I don't mind Patterson playing for his glove, but batting 8th
>>>> and not for $3 mil so...).
>>> They would do better to set Bruce over there and bring in an oldster for
>>> a year or two.
>>
>> Not clear on what you mean. Bruce in CF, oldster in RF? or the other way
>> around?
>
>I think they can afford to sign a minor free agent to cover right for a
>year or two and leave Bruce in center.
This, I think, answers my question. Bruce is a good enough CF
defensively that, even with the ability to go get a CF or a RF in the
off-season, you would leave him in CF and get a RF instead. Gotcha.
>> When's the last time this team had a good bench? 1999?
>
>That's an interesting question. Wish I had time to delve into it.
>
>Remind me about that during the off season.
'K.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 2:23 pm
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"Kevin McClave" <kmcclave.RemoveThis@SPAM666twcny.rr.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 28 May 2008 09:34:15 -0400, David Short
> <David.no.Short.RemoveThis@Spam.Wright.Please.edu> wrote:
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>>Kevin McClave wrote:
>>> ...what should they do from a personnel standpoint moving forward, with
>>> the idea that "wait until next year" might yet again be the mantra of
>>> this team.
>>>
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed May 28, 2008 2:58 pm
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On Wed, 28 May 2008 14:23:14 -0400, "Vball23" <sta4m RemoveThis @sta4m.com> wrote:
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>"Kevin McClave" <kmcclave RemoveThis @SPAM666twcny.rr.com> wrote in message
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>> On Wed, 28 May 2008 09:34:15 -0400, David Short
>> <David.no.Short RemoveThis @Spam.Wright.Please.edu> wrote:
>>
>>>Kevin McClave wrote:
>>>> ...what should they do from a personnel standpoint moving forward, with
>>>> the idea that "wait until next year" might yet again be the mantra of
>>>> this team.
>>>>
>
>
>How about dumping Patterson and signing Kenny Lofton, if the money's right?
How about optioning Patterson to AAA and recalling IF Andy Phillips?
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"Kevin McClave" <kmcclave.RemoveThis@SPAM666twcny.rr.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 28 May 2008 11:42:45 -0400, David Short
> <David.no.Short.RemoveThis@Spam.Wright.Please.edu> wrote:
>
>>Kevin McClave wrote:
>>> I ask this question in the same spirit as my comment about Keppinger
>>> being the everyday SS. Sure, you *can* play him there, but is he a
>>> starting caliber defensive SS if you're serious about fielding a good
>>> team? Is Bruce a good CF defensively, or is it just that he's the best
>>> option we have?
>>
>>I think Keppinger belongs at short and Bruce belongs in center more than
>> Edwin belongs at third and Junior belongs in right. Junior in right is
>>getting to be a problem.
>>
>>>>> Are their splits that
>>>>> suggest we could man CF with what's on hand (Patterson, Freel,
>>>>> Hopper...I don't mind Patterson playing for his glove, but batting 8th
>>>>> and not for $3 mil so...).
>>>> They would do better to set Bruce over there and bring in an oldster
>>>> for
>>>> a year or two.
>>>
>>> Not clear on what you mean. Bruce in CF, oldster in RF? or the other way
>>> around?
>>
>>I think they can afford to sign a minor free agent to cover right for a
>>year or two and leave Bruce in center.
>
> This, I think, answers my question. Bruce is a good enough CF
> defensively that, even with the ability to go get a CF or a RF in the
> off-season, you would leave him in CF and get a RF instead. Gotcha.
And we know this how? Who has had the opportunity to watch Jay Bruce patrol
CF long enough to make this claim? Not me. Ask again in September. Right
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 12:39 pm
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On Sat, 31 May 2008 10:13:56 -0400, "RJA" <rja RemoveThis @nospam.cinci.rr.com>
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>"Kevin McClave" <kmcclave RemoveThis @SPAM666twcny.rr.com> wrote in message
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>> On Wed, 28 May 2008 11:42:45 -0400, David Short
>> <David.no.Short RemoveThis @Spam.Wright.Please.edu> wrote:
>>
>>>Kevin McClave wrote:
>>>> I ask this question in the same spirit as my comment about Keppinger
>>>> being the everyday SS. Sure, you *can* play him there, but is he a
>>>> starting caliber defensive SS if you're serious about fielding a good
>>>> team? Is Bruce a good CF defensively, or is it just that he's the best
>>>> option we have?
>>>
>>>I think Keppinger belongs at short and Bruce belongs in center more than
>>> Edwin belongs at third and Junior belongs in right. Junior in right is
>>>getting to be a problem.
>>>
>>>>>> Are their splits that
>>>>>> suggest we could man CF with what's on hand (Patterson, Freel,
>>>>>> Hopper...I don't mind Patterson playing for his glove, but batting 8th
>>>>>> and not for $3 mil so...).
>>>>> They would do better to set Bruce over there and bring in an oldster
>>>>> for
>>>>> a year or two.
>>>>
>>>> Not clear on what you mean. Bruce in CF, oldster in RF? or the other way
>>>> around?
>>>
>>>I think they can afford to sign a minor free agent to cover right for a
>>>year or two and leave Bruce in center.
>>
>> This, I think, answers my question. Bruce is a good enough CF
>> defensively that, even with the ability to go get a CF or a RF in the
>> off-season, you would leave him in CF and get a RF instead. Gotcha.
>
>And we know this how? Who has had the opportunity to watch Jay Bruce patrol
>CF long enough to make this claim? Not me. Ask again in September. Right
>now, all we know is that he has decent speed and a very good arm.
Plenty of people have had the opportunity to watch him long enough to
have an opinion. They may not post here, but he has to have some sort of
a reputation already. That may, as time goes by, be something with which
we disagree (Hi Jason, you defensive whiz, you!), but he must have a rep
already.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sat May 31, 2008 2:42 pm
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From: "Kevin McClave" <kmcclave.DeleteThis@SPAM666twcny.rr.com>
> On Sat, 31 May 2008 10:13:56 -0400, "RJA" <rja.DeleteThis@nospam.cinci.rr.com>
>>"Kevin McClave" <kmcclave.DeleteThis@SPAM666twcny.rr.com> wrote in message
>>> On Wed, 28 May 2008 11:42:45 -0400, David Short
>>>>I think they can afford to sign a minor free agent to cover right for a
>>>>year or two and leave Bruce in center.
>>>
>>> This, I think, answers my question. Bruce is a good enough CF
>>> defensively that, even with the ability to go get a CF or a RF in the
>>> off-season, you would leave him in CF and get a RF instead. Gotcha.
>>
>>And we know this how? Who has had the opportunity to watch Jay Bruce
>>patrol
>>CF long enough to make this claim? Not me. Ask again in September.
>>Right
>>now, all we know is that he has decent speed and a very good arm.
How long is long enough? I saw him play several time in Dayton. Saw him a
couple times in Sarasota and again in Louisville. He's not Mike Cameron or
Junior in his prime, but in a small ballpark like GAB, he's gonna be OK.
The reds have three "true" centerfielders in their system. Stubbs and Bruce
have never played on the same team but both Szymanski and Dickerson
split time in center with Bruce instead of pushing him to a corner.
> Plenty of people have had the opportunity to watch him long enough to
> have an opinion. They may not post here, but he has to have some sort of
> a reputation already. That may, as time goes by, be something with which
> we disagree (Hi Jason, you defensive whiz, you!), but he must have a rep
> already.
The reports I've seen suggest that Bruce isn't going to end up in center. Of
course I don't get to read the reports of the folks whose opinion matters.
dfs >> Stay informed about: So, now that Bruuuuuce is here... |
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 3:41 pm
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"Kevin McClave" <kmcclave RemoveThis @SPAM666twcny.rr.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 31 May 2008 10:13:56 -0400, "RJA" <rja RemoveThis @nospam.cinci.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
>>"Kevin McClave" <kmcclave RemoveThis @SPAM666twcny.rr.com> wrote in message
>>news:934r3412j0bctgh5qmnc94dbdadlhd9val@4ax.com...
>>> On Wed, 28 May 2008 11:42:45 -0400, David Short
>>> <David.no.Short RemoveThis @Spam.Wright.Please.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Kevin McClave wrote:
>>>>> I ask this question in the same spirit as my comment about Keppinger
>>>>> being the everyday SS. Sure, you *can* play him there, but is he a
>>>>> starting caliber defensive SS if you're serious about fielding a good
>>>>> team? Is Bruce a good CF defensively, or is it just that he's the best
>>>>> option we have?
>>>>
>>>>I think Keppinger belongs at short and Bruce belongs in center more than
>>>> Edwin belongs at third and Junior belongs in right. Junior in right is
>>>>getting to be a problem.
>>>>
>>>>>>> Are their splits that
>>>>>>> suggest we could man CF with what's on hand (Patterson, Freel,
>>>>>>> Hopper...I don't mind Patterson playing for his glove, but batting
>>>>>>> 8th
>>>>>>> and not for $3 mil so...).
>>>>>> They would do better to set Bruce over there and bring in an oldster
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> a year or two.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not clear on what you mean. Bruce in CF, oldster in RF? or the other
>>>>> way
>>>>> around?
>>>>
>>>>I think they can afford to sign a minor free agent to cover right for a
>>>>year or two and leave Bruce in center.
>>>
>>> This, I think, answers my question. Bruce is a good enough CF
>>> defensively that, even with the ability to go get a CF or a RF in the
>>> off-season, you would leave him in CF and get a RF instead. Gotcha.
>>
>>And we know this how? Who has had the opportunity to watch Jay Bruce
>>patrol
>>CF long enough to make this claim? Not me. Ask again in September.
>>Right
>>now, all we know is that he has decent speed and a very good arm.
>
> Plenty of people have had the opportunity to watch him long enough to
> have an opinion. They may not post here, but he has to have some sort of
> a reputation already. That may, as time goes by, be something with which
> we disagree (Hi Jason, you defensive whiz, you!), but he must have a rep
> already.
Based on what I'm seeing the past 2 days (I was out of town previously),
he's having some issues judging fly balls. Yesterday he broke in and had to
quickly adjust. Today he misplayed a routine fly into a double. I heard
that on Friday he had some trouble with a ball in center as well. I'd move
him to RF and go find a CF. Rather have the good arm in right anyway. >> Stay informed about: So, now that Bruuuuuce is here... |
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