Why did Broussard hit vs. Marte in the 8th?

>> Just curious. 2 on, 1 out, why was Hernandez not put in to hit against
>> the lefty? Even a Hernandez vs. Jenks matchup would have been better
>> than Broussard vs. Marte. I think Boone bailed out Wedge last night.
>
> Hafner scored Peralta later in the game, don't forget.
>
> Ben's been hot?

Yeah, and has a knack for some big HR, but still...I didn't like it.

> Broussard is a better defensive 1B.

Agreed, and if the score had been tied, or a narrow Indians lead, I let Ben
hit.

> Either way, it's a W.

You know, I can't shake the feeling that I don't like Wedge. He seems to
fill out the lineup card and coast, which doesn't bode well for a potential
playoff appearance. But then, I look at the roster, and how can I say that
the team should be doing better than they are? Of course, I can't, so I have
to concede that Wedge is doing something right. I just can't put my finger
on what, though.
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"Jumping Jack Flash" <bar9773 RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >> Just curious. 2 on, 1 out, why was Hernandez not put in to hit against
> >> the lefty? Even a Hernandez vs. Jenks matchup would have been better
> >> than Broussard vs. Marte. I think Boone bailed out Wedge last night.
> >
> > Hafner scored Peralta later in the game, don't forget.
> >
> > Ben's been hot?
>
> Yeah, and has a knack for some big HR, but still...I didn't like it.
>
> > Broussard is a better defensive 1B.
>
> Agreed, and if the score had been tied, or a narrow Indians lead, I let
Ben
> hit.
>
> > Either way, it's a W.
>
> You know, I can't shake the feeling that I don't like Wedge. He seems to
> fill out the lineup card and coast, which doesn't bode well for a
potential
> playoff appearance. But then, I look at the roster, and how can I say that
> the team should be doing better than they are? Of course, I can't, so I
have
> to concede that Wedge is doing something right. I just can't put my finger
> on what, though.
>
>

How can you knock what Wedge has done with a group of no names? After
putting up with Hargrove for 5 years 'managing' a team of all stars and
failing every year. Wedge looks like Sparky Anderson compared to Hargrove.
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>> >> Just curious. 2 on, 1 out, why was Hernandez not put in to hit against
>> >> the lefty? Even a Hernandez vs. Jenks matchup would have been better
>> >> than Broussard vs. Marte. I think Boone bailed out Wedge last night.
>> >
>> > Hafner scored Peralta later in the game, don't forget.
>> >
>> > Ben's been hot?
>>
>> Yeah, and has a knack for some big HR, but still...I didn't like it.
>>
>> > Broussard is a better defensive 1B.
>>
>> Agreed, and if the score had been tied, or a narrow Indians lead, I let
> Ben
>> hit.
>>
>> > Either way, it's a W.
>>
>> You know, I can't shake the feeling that I don't like Wedge. He seems to
>> fill out the lineup card and coast, which doesn't bode well for a
> potential
>> playoff appearance. But then, I look at the roster, and how can I say
>> that
>> the team should be doing better than they are? Of course, I can't, so I
> have
>> to concede that Wedge is doing something right. I just can't put my
>> finger
>> on what, though.
>>
>>
>
> How can you knock what Wedge has done with a group of no names? After
> putting up with Hargrove for 5 years 'managing' a team of all stars and
> failing every year. Wedge looks like Sparky Anderson compared to
> Hargrove.

I'm not sure how much stock I put in the "x's and o's" aspect of a baseball
manager's job. It's easy to second guess a move that doesn't work, and it's
easy to ignore one that does. The *right* move usually works less than half
the time, and still depends on a player doing his job.

Wedge obviously has the Tribe playing hard, which means a lot more to me
than whether or not he pinch-hits a righty against a lefty. He's managed
the pitching staff well, which is more important that tweaking hitting
matchups. A master tactician he is not, but then is there really such a
thing as a master tactician in baseball? You look like a genius when you
make a decision that works, you look like an idiot when it doesn't. He
definitely seems inclined to let his guys play where he put them, but it's
entirely possible that this approach keeps his guys playing harder than if
they knew he'd be taking them out for a minute statistical advantage . . .
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"J.T." <noaddressgiven RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>> >> Just curious. 2 on, 1 out, why was Hernandez not put in to hit
>>> >> against
>>> >> the lefty? Even a Hernandez vs. Jenks matchup would have been better
>>> >> than Broussard vs. Marte. I think Boone bailed out Wedge last night.
>>> >
>>> > Hafner scored Peralta later in the game, don't forget.
>>> >
>>> > Ben's been hot?
>>>
>>> Yeah, and has a knack for some big HR, but still...I didn't like it.
>>>
>>> > Broussard is a better defensive 1B.
>>>
>>> Agreed, and if the score had been tied, or a narrow Indians lead, I let
>> Ben
>>> hit.
>>>
>>> > Either way, it's a W.
>>>
>>> You know, I can't shake the feeling that I don't like Wedge. He seems to
>>> fill out the lineup card and coast, which doesn't bode well for a
>> potential
>>> playoff appearance. But then, I look at the roster, and how can I say
>>> that
>>> the team should be doing better than they are? Of course, I can't, so I
>> have
>>> to concede that Wedge is doing something right. I just can't put my
>>> finger
>>> on what, though.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> How can you knock what Wedge has done with a group of no names? After
>> putting up with Hargrove for 5 years 'managing' a team of all stars and
>> failing every year. Wedge looks like Sparky Anderson compared to
>> Hargrove.
>
> I'm not sure how much stock I put in the "x's and o's" aspect of a
> baseball manager's job. It's easy to second guess a move that doesn't
> work, and it's easy to ignore one that does. The *right* move usually
> works less than half the time, and still depends on a player doing his
> job.
>
> Wedge obviously has the Tribe playing hard, which means a lot more to me
> than whether or not he pinch-hits a righty against a lefty. He's managed
> the pitching staff well, which is more important that tweaking hitting
> matchups. A master tactician he is not, but then is there really such a
> thing as a master tactician in baseball? You look like a genius when you
> make a decision that works, you look like an idiot when it doesn't. He
> definitely seems inclined to let his guys play where he put them, but it's
> entirely possible that this approach keeps his guys playing harder than if
> they knew he'd be taking them out for a minute statistical advantage . . .

frankly, I'd give Wedge the edge over Ozzie for manager of the year, even if
the Sox hold on to win. I think the Sox have won in spite of Ozzie more
than because of him. Good heavens, the guy goes pure gut on pitching
decisions and if it were not for Polite and Cotts, we'd be 10 games behind
the Tribe. I am amazed at what Cleveland has done, frankly I didn't think
they had anywhere close to the pitching to get here and the young studs are
having good years, as opposed to Crede Uribe, and Rowland. And finally,
Ozzie has a horrible, horrible habit of ripping the players publicly. It is
so bush league I really don't know why players like him so much

So while I am still a Sox fan and rooting for them, I hope Wedge gets the
Manager of the Year over Ozzie. He's done a better job.
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Did you do the post on another Indians NG?
Al


"Jumping Jack Flash" <bar9773 RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Just curious. 2 on, 1 out, why was Hernandez not put in to hit against the
> lefty? Even a Hernandez vs. Jenks matchup would have been better than
> Broussard vs. Marte. I think Boone bailed out Wedge last night.
>
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"poka yoke" <a.TakeThisOut@b.c> wrote in message
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>
>>
>> Wedge obviously has the Tribe playing hard, which means a lot more to me
>> than whether or not he pinch-hits a righty against a lefty. He's managed
>> the pitching staff well, which is more important that tweaking hitting
>> matchups. A master tactician he is not, but then is there really such a
>> thing as a master tactician in baseball? You look like a genius when you
>> make a decision that works, you look like an idiot when it doesn't. He
>> definitely seems inclined to let his guys play where he put them, but
>> it's entirely possible that this approach keeps his guys playing harder
>> than if they knew he'd be taking them out for a minute statistical
>> advantage . . .
>
> frankly, I'd give Wedge the edge over Ozzie for manager of the year, even
> if the Sox hold on to win. I think the Sox have won in spite of Ozzie
> more than because of him. Good heavens, the guy goes pure gut on pitching
> decisions and if it were not for Polite and Cotts, we'd be 10 games behind
> the Tribe. I am amazed at what Cleveland has done, frankly I didn't think
> they had anywhere close to the pitching to get here and the young studs
> are having good years, as opposed to Crede Uribe, and Rowland. And
> finally, Ozzie has a horrible, horrible habit of ripping the players
> publicly. It is so bush league I really don't know why players like him
> so much

Yeah, whatever you think of his managing, the public bashing is totally
unacceptable. I personally couldn't respect a manager that said some of the
stuff he says. It's OK to admit that the team isn't playing well, but
sometimes he goes too far.


> So while I am still a Sox fan and rooting for them, I hope Wedge gets the
> Manager of the Year over Ozzie. He's done a better job.

If the Sox somehow manage to miss the playoffs (very unlikely), I bet Ozzie
gets fired.


Bill G
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"Jumping Jack Flash" <bar9773.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Just curious. 2 on, 1 out, why was Hernandez not put in to hit against the
> lefty? Even a Hernandez vs. Jenks matchup would have been better than
> Broussard vs. Marte. I think Boone bailed out Wedge last night.
>
>

Belliard was out last night. Wedge let Broussard hit because he might have
needed Hernandez to hit for Vazquez later in the lineup. No great mystery.

Jim
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> Belliard was out last night. Wedge let Broussard hit because he might
> have
> needed Hernandez to hit for Vazquez later in the lineup. No great
> mystery.

That could be, but it's still a bad call. Why hold Hernandez for a possible
future at bat, when the tying and go-ahead runs are in scoring position,
with a lefty on the mound in the 8th? Kinda like a Tigers game a couple of
months ago where Wedge blew several opportunities to pinch hit Hafner, who
was given a day off.
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