Bringing Up Curtis Thigpen As Catcher A Good Move For Jays

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>> But it is not enough. Jays pitchers need more coaching to show
>> them how to prevent base runners from getting big leads off first.
>>
>> Former Jays, now color commentators doingTV games, Pat Tabler, Jesse
>> Barfield and
>> Rance Mulliniks have said the fact that the Jays lack their
>> own running game puts them at a disadvantage.
>> As a good running game not only leads to more stolen bases but
>> just the threat puts opposing pitchers and infields under more pressure.
>> It causes them to make mistakes which can often lead to costly runs
>> against.
>>
>> Right now the Jays have only one player with outstanding speed and that
>> is
>> Alex Rios. However Vernon Wells, Reed Johnson and Aaron Hill are all
>> fast enough to be base-stealing threats. Curtis Thigpen also has good
>> speed.
>>
>> The Jays could improve their team more by bringing up a speedy catcher
>> now with Syracuse, Robinson Diaz. He has 5 stolen bases and is batting
>> .316
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> "5 stolen bases" means nothing. Stolen bases do not winn ballgames, and
> CSs are wasted outs. How many CSs does he have? Not only that, but I'm not
> finding a Diaz on the Chiefs' roster. Where'd you get your info?
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>> which makes him a good prospect to replace the poor- running, throwing
>> and hitting Greg Zaun. It is time for Zauny to "hang them up".
>>
>> Frank Thomas, the DH is also a liability. He is not hitting and his base
>> running
>> is pathetic. He is arguably the slowest running player in the major
>> leagues.
>> He also cannot play a position. Time for Frank to be released. He has his
>> 500 home runs
>> and probably would not be too reluctant also to "hang them up".
>>
>> Frank could be replaced by one of several promising minor leaguers. What
>> have the Jays
>> to lose by making this change? They are definitely out of contention for
>> 2007. The lower they finish
>> now in the standings the better their draft picks in 2008.
>>
>> Thomas could be replaced as DH by Ryan Klossterman (3rd baseman) at
>> Syracuse.



no Klossterman on the roster either. Where are you getting this stuff??!!??






>> He has 15 stolen bases which tells us he has running speed.
>> Syracuse OF Wayne Lydon is batting .262 with six SB.
>> At Dunedin OF Luke Heatherington .306 has 12 SB.
>> At Lansing Sean Soffit is batting .270 with 13 SB.
>>
>> These players are inexperienced but so what. If they don't make it they
>> can
>> be sent back to the minors.
>> It happens all the time. But the Jays have to do something about their
>> running game for next year.
>> They have nothing to lose this year by making changes now.
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>> But it is not enough. Jays pitchers need more coaching to show
>> them how to prevent base runners from getting big leads off first.
>>
>> Former Jays, now color commentators doingTV games, Pat Tabler, Jesse
>> Barfield and
>> Rance Mulliniks have said the fact that the Jays lack their
>> own running game puts them at a disadvantage.
>> As a good running game not only leads to more stolen bases but
>> just the threat puts opposing pitchers and infields under more pressure.
>> It causes them to make mistakes which can often lead to costly runs
>> against.
>>
>> Right now the Jays have only one player with outstanding speed and that
>> is
>> Alex Rios. However Vernon Wells, Reed Johnson and Aaron Hill are all
>> fast enough to be base-stealing threats. Curtis Thigpen also has good
>> speed.
>>
>> The Jays could improve their team more by bringing up a speedy catcher
>> now with Syracuse, Robinson Diaz. He has 5 stolen bases and is batting
>> .316
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> "5 stolen bases" means nothing.

Not entirely. If a player makes it to second base he is in scoring position.
Five stolen bases is not a lot, but it is for a catcher.And at least it
indicates
the player has some speed. How many stolen bases does Troy Glaus have, or
Lyle Overbay, or Greg Zaun, Frank
Thomas, Matt Stairs? Speed simply adds another dimension to a team's
offense. And this dimension is missing from
the Blue Jays attack.




Stolen bases do not winn ballgames, and CSs
> are wasted outs.

Not necessarily.

Potential base stealers when they get on tend to rattle pitchers. They force
opposing pitchers to pay attention to
them thus distracting the pitcher. They also force the pitcher to pitch from
the stretch which often diminishes the
pitcher's composure and effectiveness. Many baserunners CS would be out
anyway on a double play if they had
not tried to steal second.


How many CSs does he have? Not only that, but I'm not
> finding a Diaz on the Chiefs' roster. Where'd you get your info?

He was with New Hampshire but has been promoted to Syracuse to replace
Thigpen
on that Triple A team.
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>> which makes him a good prospect to replace the poor- running, throwing
>> and hitting Greg Zaun. It is time for Zauny to "hang them up".
>>
>> Frank Thomas, the DH is also a liability. He is not hitting and his base
>> running
>> is pathetic. He is arguably the slowest running player in the major
>> leagues.
>> He also cannot play a position. Time for Frank to be released. He has his
>> 500 home runs
>> and probably would not be too reluctant also to "hang them up".
>>
>> Frank could be replaced by one of several promising minor leaguers. What
>> have the Jays
>> to lose by making this change? They are definitely out of contention for
>> 2007. The lower they finish
>> now in the standings the better their draft picks in 2008.
>>
>> Thomas could be replaced as DH by Ryan Klossterman (3rd baseman) at
>> Syracuse.
>> He has 15 stolen bases which tells us he has running speed.
>> Syracuse OF Wayne Lydon is batting .262 with six SB.
>> At Dunedin OF Luke Heatherington .306 has 12 SB.
>> At Lansing Sean Soffit is batting .270 with 13 SB.
>>
>> These players are inexperienced but so what. If they don't make it they
>> can
>> be sent back to the minors.
>> It happens all the time. But the Jays have to do something about their
>> running game for next year.
>> They have nothing to lose this year by making changes now.
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>>> But it is not enough. Jays pitchers need more coaching to show
>>> them how to prevent base runners from getting big leads off first.
>>>
>>> Former Jays, now color commentators doingTV games, Pat Tabler, Jesse
>>> Barfield and
>>> Rance Mulliniks have said the fact that the Jays lack their
>>> own running game puts them at a disadvantage.
>>> As a good running game not only leads to more stolen bases but
>>> just the threat puts opposing pitchers and infields under more pressure.
>>> It causes them to make mistakes which can often lead to costly runs
>>> against.
>>>
>>> Right now the Jays have only one player with outstanding speed and that
>>> is
>>> Alex Rios. However Vernon Wells, Reed Johnson and Aaron Hill are all
>>> fast enough to be base-stealing threats. Curtis Thigpen also has good
>>> speed.
>>>
>>> The Jays could improve their team more by bringing up a speedy catcher
>>> now with Syracuse, Robinson Diaz. He has 5 stolen bases and is batting
>>> .316
>>
>>
>>
>> "5 stolen bases" means nothing.
>
> Not entirely. If a player makes it to second base he is in scoring
> position. Five stolen bases is not a lot, but it is for a catcher.And at
> least it indicates
> the player has some speed. How many stolen bases does Troy Glaus have, or
> Lyle Overbay, or Greg Zaun, Frank
> Thomas, Matt Stairs? Speed simply adds another dimension to a team's
> offense. And this dimension is missing from
> the Blue Jays attack.
>
>
>
>
> Stolen bases do not winn ballgames, and CSs
>> are wasted outs.
>
> Not necessarily.



ooooooookay.





>
> Potential base stealers when they get on tend to rattle pitchers. They
> force opposing pitchers to pay attention to
> them thus distracting the pitcher. They also force the pitcher to pitch
> from the stretch which often diminishes the
> pitcher's composure and effectiveness. Many baserunners CS would be out
> anyway on a double play if they had
> not tried to steal second.
>
>
> How many CSs does he have? Not only that, but I'm not
>> finding a Diaz on the Chiefs' roster. Where'd you get your info?
>
> He was with New Hampshire but has been promoted to Syracuse to replace
> Thigpen
> on that Triple A team.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> which makes him a good prospect to replace the poor- running, throwing
>>> and hitting Greg Zaun. It is time for Zauny to "hang them up".
>>>
>>> Frank Thomas, the DH is also a liability. He is not hitting and his base
>>> running
>>> is pathetic. He is arguably the slowest running player in the major
>>> leagues.
>>> He also cannot play a position. Time for Frank to be released. He has
>>> his
>>> 500 home runs
>>> and probably would not be too reluctant also to "hang them up".
>>>
>>> Frank could be replaced by one of several promising minor leaguers. What
>>> have the Jays
>>> to lose by making this change? They are definitely out of contention for
>>> 2007. The lower they finish
>>> now in the standings the better their draft picks in 2008.
>>>
>>> Thomas could be replaced as DH by Ryan Klossterman (3rd baseman) at
>>> Syracuse.
>>> He has 15 stolen bases which tells us he has running speed.
>>> Syracuse OF Wayne Lydon is batting .262 with six SB.
>>> At Dunedin OF Luke Heatherington .306 has 12 SB.
>>> At Lansing Sean Soffit is batting .270 with 13 SB.
>>>
>>> These players are inexperienced but so what. If they don't make it they
>>> can
>>> be sent back to the minors.
>>> It happens all the time. But the Jays have to do something about their
>>> running game for next year.
>>> They have nothing to lose this year by making changes now.
>>
>>
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I'm glad we have gotten rid of automatic out Jason Phillips
(.208, 1, 12) whose defensive stats, um, stink? (43 SB, 4
runners CS). Thigpen is an improvement defensively,
offensively, and I haven't seen any evidence that Phillips
called an exceptional game.

I have a soft spot for Zauny; he's done well the last two
years, and looked like he was poised for a career year
before he got hurt. With Thigpen in reserve, Gibbons
might be ready to pinch-hit for Zaun a bit more often,
which would be a good thing, IMHO.

To me, this whole team right now hinges on Glaus,
Wells, and Thomas. A few more clutch hits from
these guys (now that Phillips is gone), and we could
have easily gone 5-3 against NY/BOS last week,
instead of 3-5. (Cripes, if Accardo doesn't balk in
the tying run against the Yanks, we at least get a
split.)

If these guys get hot, we have enough games
left against NY, Sea, and Min that we might
pass all of them; the Tribe is the question.

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KevinB <kevinbertschglf RemoveThis @yahoo.ca> trolled:

>I'm glad we have gotten rid of automatic out Jason Phillips (.208,
>1, 12) whose defensive stats, um, stink? (43 SB, 4 runners CS).
>Thigpen is an improvement defensively, offensively, and I haven't
>seen any evidence that Phillips called an exceptional game.

Perhaps you should have brought in someone better than Thigpen. It
seems that you are giving up on the year, already.

>I have a soft spot for Zauny; he's done well the last two years,
>and looked like he was poised for a career year before he got hurt.
>With Thigpen in reserve, Gibbons might be ready to pinch-hit for
>Zaun a bit more often, which would be a good thing, IMHO.

Are you planning on keeping "Zauny" next year as the starting
catcher?

>To me, this whole team right now hinges on Glaus, Wells, and
>Thomas. A few more clutch hits from these guys (now that Phillips
>is gone), and we could have easily gone 5-3 against NY/BOS last
>week, instead of 3-5. (Cripes, if Accardo doesn't balk in the tying
>run against the Yanks, we at least get a split.)

Just because you are paying Wells and Thomas so much dough, doesn't
mean that they can hit. We think you made a huge mistake signing
Wells and Thomas.

>If these guys get hot, we have enough games left against NY, Sea,
>and Min that we might pass all of them; the Tribe is the question.

Perhaps you can make some trades?

cordially, as always,

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> KevinB <kevinbertschglf.TakeThisOut@yahoo.ca> trolled:
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>>I'm glad we have gotten rid of automatic out Jason Phillips (.208,
>>1, 12) whose defensive stats, um, stink? (43 SB, 4 runners CS).
>>Thigpen is an improvement defensively, offensively, and I haven't
>>seen any evidence that Phillips called an exceptional game.
>
> Perhaps you should have brought in someone better than Thigpen. It
> seems that you are giving up on the year, already.
>
>>I have a soft spot for Zauny; he's done well the last two years,
>>and looked like he was poised for a career year before he got hurt.
>>With Thigpen in reserve, Gibbons might be ready to pinch-hit for
>>Zaun a bit more often, which would be a good thing, IMHO.
>
> Are you planning on keeping "Zauny" next year as the starting
> catcher?
>
>>To me, this whole team right now hinges on Glaus, Wells, and
>>Thomas. A few more clutch hits from these guys (now that Phillips
>>is gone), and we could have easily gone 5-3 against NY/BOS last
>>week, instead of 3-5. (Cripes, if Accardo doesn't balk in the tying
>>run against the Yanks, we at least get a split.)
>
> Just because you are paying Wells and Thomas so much dough, doesn't
> mean that they can hit. We think you made a huge mistake signing
> Wells and Thomas.
>
>>If these guys get hot, we have enough games left against NY, Sea,
>>and Min that we might pass all of them; the Tribe is the question.
>
> Perhaps you can make some trades?

I agree. Now is the time to trade Thomas, Zaun, Stairs, Burnett, Downs,
Glaus,
and Overbay while management maybe can get some good prospects in return.
That is not giving up
on these players who are solid major leaguers who could help present
contending teams,
but it is a opportunity to stregnthen the Jays for the future.
A ballplayer in his thirties is a diminishing asset and the Jays are NOT
contenders this year.
This present Jay team, if carried over intact to 2008, even without
injuries,
is not good enough to win a World Series or even be in contention. The Jays
organization needs
to be restructured.


>
> cordially, as always,
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On Jul 24, 5:29 pm, "Clay Northwood" <Northw... DeleteThis @Northwood.com> wrote:

> > If these guys get hot, we have enough games
> > left against NY, Sea, and Min that we might
> > pass all of them; the Tribe is the question.
>
> > KevinB
>
> The Jays are not mathematically eliminated, of course. But if Boston and
> Cleveland or Detroit
> play .500 ball for the remainder of the season the Jays are cooked. They
> would have to play about
> .800 baseball which would be miraculous even for a good team.
>

I'm not trying to catch Beantown or the Bengals; it's the Yankees, the
M's,
and the Tribe I'm concerned about. We caught the Twinkies today (and
who
would have given us a chance to sweep two weeks ago?), and we're only
3.5 games behind the Yanks. As I noted, we have 10 games left against
the
Yanks; we had tremendous bad luck going 1-3 against them last week -
look
at these stats for the first 3 games:

Jays: 32 H, 14 BB, 3 HR, 7 Runs, 68 collective LOB
NYY: 32 H, 8 BB, 3 HR, 15 Runs, 42 collective LOB

So, are we due for some good luck and timely hitting against the
Yanks?
I think so. 6-4 draws us to a half game; 7-3 puts us ahead. We have 3
games against Seattle at home. Personally, I'd have every pitcher
throwing
at Ichiro's hands, every pitch, every at-bat.

Finally, the old "they only need to play .500 ball" chestnut is one of
the
worst in baseball. Do you not remember the '64 Phillies, with a 6 1/2
game
lead with 12 games to go? They lost the pennant. The 1978 Bosox had a
14 game lead over the Yankees in July, but lost the pennant. And of
course,
our own Jays in 1987, with a 6 game lead with 7 games to go, lost them
all to lose out to the Tigers. Will we need a collapse by the Indians?
Of
course we will. But are such collapses unheard of? No.

Glaus, Thomas, and Wells seem to be coming around. If they can hit
..280 collectively over the rest of the season (while still keeping
the
number of walks they all earn high), I think the Jayz still have a
chance.
Their pitching staff, despite the failures of Burnett, Chacin, and
Ryan,
has been awesome.

The Jayz are second in the AL in hits allowed, 4th in walks, 5th
in earned runs and 4th in strikeouts. Towers seems to have found
himself, McGowan and Marcum are throwing well, and Doc Halladay
seems to have recovered from his surgery. If Litsch can keep up his
effectiveness, or either Chacin or Burnett can come back, I think we
have the best rotation in the AL. Downs, Jansen, and Accardo have
shown themselves to be a very effective bullpen.

Will we need luck? Of course. But to think it's all over before the
end
of July? Real fans keep on dreaming...

KevinB
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KevinB <kevinbertschglf.RemoveThis@yahoo.ca> says:
>On Jul 24, 5:29 pm, "Clay Northwood" <Northw....RemoveThis@Northwood.com> wrote:

>> > If these guys get hot, we have enough games left against NY,
>> > Sea, and Min that we might pass all of them; the Tribe is the
>> > question.

What position do you play? And if you weren't good enought to make
the team as a player, by what right do you include yourself as a
part of the team?

>> The Jays are not mathematically eliminated, of course. But if
>> Boston and Cleveland or Detroit play .500 ball for the remainder
>> of the season the Jays are cooked. They would have to play about
>> .800 baseball which would be miraculous even for a good team.

>I'm not trying to catch Beantown or the Bengals; it's the Yankees,

And what, exactly, are you going to do to catch the NYY, the Ms and
the Indians?

>the M's, and the Tribe I'm concerned about. We caught the Twinkies
>today (and who would have given us a chance to sweep two weeks
>ago?), and we're only 3.5 games behind the Yanks. As I noted, we
>have 10 games left against the Yanks; we had tremendous bad luck
>going 1-3 against them last week - look at these stats for the
>first 3 games:

You're truly pathetic, aren't you? You have not earned the right to
include yourself as a member of the team. How about showing the
players a little respect? You are not a player and you never will
be, so including yourself as a member of the team is simply an
egregious insult to those who have worked hard all their lives in
order to be good enough to play MLB.

cordially, as always,

rm
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