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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 4:45 pm
Post subject: Boswell on Sunday
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I suppose everyone read Boswell on Sunday concerning the Mitchell report.
Most of the column was on target. He left out one area that deserves as
much blame as the others - MLB, Union, owners, front office, team management
and players. The media should been held accountable as well. Anyone of the
normal beat writers, network people, and sports casters over the past 15
years could have written the same book that Conseco did - if they were doing
their job. INstead they chose to hobnob with the ball players, look the
other way, and rub shoulders with stars in the clubhouse. They should not
escape attention. The damage is to the record book and the HOF. The HOF
should eliminate the practice of sportswriters electing new members since
they have already proven to be dishonest. Perhaps for a period of 10 years,
the fans should do it over the web in conjunction with the living members of
the HOF. The sportswriters are every bit the cheats as the players who took
the juice. Does anyone think that somebody like Don Sutton, for example,
did not know what was going on in the clubhouse? First guy to lose the vote
should be Buster Olney of ESPN who still wants to look the other way - and
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 10:29 am
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Bill Delmore wrote:
> I suppose everyone read Boswell on Sunday concerning the Mitchell report.
> Most of the column was on target. He left out one area that deserves as
> much blame as the others - MLB, Union, owners, front office, team management
> and players. The media should been held accountable as well. Anyone of the
> normal beat writers, network people, and sports casters over the past 15
> years could have written the same book that Conseco did - if they were doing
> their job. INstead they chose to hobnob with the ball players, look the
> other way, and rub shoulders with stars in the clubhouse. They should not
> escape attention. The damage is to the record book and the HOF. The HOF
> should eliminate the practice of sportswriters electing new members since
> they have already proven to be dishonest. Perhaps for a period of 10 years,
> the fans should do it over the web in conjunction with the living members of
> the HOF. The sportswriters are every bit the cheats as the players who took
> the juice. Does anyone think that somebody like Don Sutton, for example,
> did not know what was going on in the clubhouse? First guy to lose the vote
> should be Buster Olney of ESPN who still wants to look the other way - and
> he has a vote.
>
Good points, but maybe the fans are guilty also. I knew that Bonds and
McGuire were using something. The went from skinny batters to being
hulking super-sluggers. Maybe I should have boycotted the sport?
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 6:59 pm
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"FSogol" <FSogol DeleteThis @nospamplease.org> wrote in message
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> Bill Delmore wrote:
>> I suppose everyone read Boswell on Sunday concerning the Mitchell report.
>> Most of the column was on target. He left out one area that deserves as
>> much blame as the others - MLB, Union, owners, front office, team
>> management and players. The media should been held accountable as well.
>> Anyone of the normal beat writers, network people, and sports casters
>> over the past 15 years could have written the same book that Conseco
>> did - if they were doing their job. INstead they chose to hobnob with
>> the ball players, look the other way, and rub shoulders with stars in the
>> clubhouse. They should not escape attention. The damage is to the
>> record book and the HOF. The HOF should eliminate the practice of
>> sportswriters electing new members since they have already proven to be
>> dishonest. Perhaps for a period of 10 years, the fans should do it over
>> the web in conjunction with the living members of the HOF. The
>> sportswriters are every bit the cheats as the players who took the juice.
>> Does anyone think that somebody like Don Sutton, for example, did not
>> know what was going on in the clubhouse? First guy to lose the vote
>> should be Buster Olney of ESPN who still wants to look the other way -
>> and he has a vote.
>>
>
> Good points, but maybe the fans are guilty also. I knew that Bonds and
> McGuire were using something. The went from skinny batters to being
> hulking super-sluggers. Maybe I should have boycotted the sport?
>
> --
> FSogol
And so like who cares? We all knew, we still went to the games and we
watched on TV. Now it is like, ohmygosh they did what??? It is over so we
need to move on, now what about the NFL? I am sorry but 350 pound people
are NOT normal. It is all around in sports. We know, but we still watch
and attend the games. There are other things in life that are more
important.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 6:59 pm
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rufref wrote:
> "FSogol" <FSogol.TakeThisOut@nospamplease.org> wrote in message
> news:08edneNd7O13pfTanZ2dnUVZ_vbinZ2d@cavtel.net...
>> Bill Delmore wrote:
>>> I suppose everyone read Boswell on Sunday concerning the Mitchell report.
>>> Most of the column was on target. He left out one area that deserves as
>>> much blame as the others - MLB, Union, owners, front office, team
>>> management and players. The media should been held accountable as well.
>>> Anyone of the normal beat writers, network people, and sports casters
>>> over the past 15 years could have written the same book that Conseco
>>> did - if they were doing their job. INstead they chose to hobnob with
>>> the ball players, look the other way, and rub shoulders with stars in the
>>> clubhouse. They should not escape attention. The damage is to the
>>> record book and the HOF. The HOF should eliminate the practice of
>>> sportswriters electing new members since they have already proven to be
>>> dishonest. Perhaps for a period of 10 years, the fans should do it over
>>> the web in conjunction with the living members of the HOF. The
>>> sportswriters are every bit the cheats as the players who took the juice.
>>> Does anyone think that somebody like Don Sutton, for example, did not
>>> know what was going on in the clubhouse? First guy to lose the vote
>>> should be Buster Olney of ESPN who still wants to look the other way -
>>> and he has a vote.
>>>
>> Good points, but maybe the fans are guilty also. I knew that Bonds and
>> McGuire were using something. The went from skinny batters to being
>> hulking super-sluggers. Maybe I should have boycotted the sport?
>>
>> --
>> FSogol
>
> And so like who cares? We all knew, we still went to the games and we
> watched on TV. Now it is like, ohmygosh they did what??? It is over so we
> need to move on, now what about the NFL? I am sorry but 350 pound people
> are NOT normal. It is all around in sports. We know, but we still watch
> and attend the games. There are other things in life that are more
> important.
I don't think it is over. I feel the sport should be cleaned up. This
isn't pro-wrestling. As a consumer of MLB, I should have confidence
that the product is clean. Best first step? Replace Selig.
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 6:59 pm
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I don't think we did know. Particularly fans from around here where we have
not had baseball for 30 years. It is as you say though - damage done. I
just do not want to see them in the HOF and I think the penalties should be
more than just targeted at the players. Reading Clemmons' weasel worded
statement, makes me wonder if Lanny Davis isn't writing his denials. Says
he never took any banned substances - I guess if you parse the words, Lanny
Davis style, it just means they weren't banned at the time he took them by
baseball. They were banned by the Controlled Substances Act however. Roger
needs to do what Petit did - fess up and move on.
"rufref" <tbilloneref.TakeThisOut@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> "FSogol" <FSogol.TakeThisOut@nospamplease.org> wrote in message
> news:08edneNd7O13pfTanZ2dnUVZ_vbinZ2d@cavtel.net...
>> Bill Delmore wrote:
>>> I suppose everyone read Boswell on Sunday concerning the Mitchell
>>> report. Most of the column was on target. He left out one area that
>>> deserves as much blame as the others - MLB, Union, owners, front office,
>>> team management and players. The media should been held accountable as
>>> well. Anyone of the normal beat writers, network people, and sports
>>> casters over the past 15 years could have written the same book that
>>> Conseco did - if they were doing their job. INstead they chose to
>>> hobnob with the ball players, look the other way, and rub shoulders with
>>> stars in the clubhouse. They should not escape attention. The damage
>>> is to the record book and the HOF. The HOF should eliminate the
>>> practice of sportswriters electing new members since they have already
>>> proven to be dishonest. Perhaps for a period of 10 years, the fans
>>> should do it over the web in conjunction with the living members of the
>>> HOF. The sportswriters are every bit the cheats as the players who took
>>> the juice. Does anyone think that somebody like Don Sutton, for example,
>>> did not know what was going on in the clubhouse? First guy to lose the
>>> vote should be Buster Olney of ESPN who still wants to look the other
>>> way - and he has a vote.
>>>
>>
>> Good points, but maybe the fans are guilty also. I knew that Bonds and
>> McGuire were using something. The went from skinny batters to being
>> hulking super-sluggers. Maybe I should have boycotted the sport?
>>
>> --
>> FSogol
>
> And so like who cares? We all knew, we still went to the games and we
> watched on TV. Now it is like, ohmygosh they did what??? It is over so
> we need to move on, now what about the NFL? I am sorry but 350 pound
> people are NOT normal. It is all around in sports. We know, but we still
> watch and attend the games. There are other things in life that are more
> important.
>
> tom
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 1:41 am
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Congress should remove baseball's anti-trust immunity as punishment.
I guess not having baseball here for a long time people did not know about
the "Bash Brothers" growing gigantic, and wonderful little Sammy Sosa
getting enlarged. Then back in the 80's there was the coke scandal, with
some high-profile names and baseball did nothing.
I also do not think these people should be in the HOF but time to move on.
If they admit it that is good, but continuing to deny when the goods are
in.....Roger, you were always a loser in my book.
tom
"Bill Delmore" <bdelmore DeleteThis @cox.net> wrote in message
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>I don't think we did know. Particularly fans from around here where we
>have not had baseball for 30 years. It is as you say though - damage done.
>I just do not want to see them in the HOF and I think the penalties should
>be more than just targeted at the players. Reading Clemmons' weasel worded
>statement, makes me wonder if Lanny Davis isn't writing his denials. Says
>he never took any banned substances - I guess if you parse the words, Lanny
>Davis style, it just means they weren't banned at the time he took them by
>baseball. They were banned by the Controlled Substances Act however.
>Roger needs to do what Petit did - fess up and move on.
>
> "rufref" <tbilloneref DeleteThis @verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:FHeaj.7208$8y4.5722@trnddc07...
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>> "FSogol" <FSogol DeleteThis @nospamplease.org> wrote in message
>> news:08edneNd7O13pfTanZ2dnUVZ_vbinZ2d@cavtel.net...
>>> Bill Delmore wrote:
>>>> I suppose everyone read Boswell on Sunday concerning the Mitchell
>>>> report. Most of the column was on target. He left out one area that
>>>> deserves as much blame as the others - MLB, Union, owners, front
>>>> office, team management and players. The media should been held
>>>> accountable as well. Anyone of the normal beat writers, network people,
>>>> and sports casters over the past 15 years could have written the same
>>>> book that Conseco did - if they were doing their job. INstead they
>>>> chose to hobnob with the ball players, look the other way, and rub
>>>> shoulders with stars in the clubhouse. They should not escape
>>>> attention. The damage is to the record book and the HOF. The HOF
>>>> should eliminate the practice of sportswriters electing new members
>>>> since they have already proven to be dishonest. Perhaps for a period
>>>> of 10 years, the fans should do it over the web in conjunction with the
>>>> living members of the HOF. The sportswriters are every bit the cheats
>>>> as the players who took the juice. Does anyone think that somebody like
>>>> Don Sutton, for example, did not know what was going on in the
>>>> clubhouse? First guy to lose the vote should be Buster Olney of ESPN
>>>> who still wants to look the other way - and he has a vote.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Good points, but maybe the fans are guilty also. I knew that Bonds and
>>> McGuire were using something. The went from skinny batters to being
>>> hulking super-sluggers. Maybe I should have boycotted the sport?
>>>
>>> --
>>> FSogol
>>
>> And so like who cares? We all knew, we still went to the games and we
>> watched on TV. Now it is like, ohmygosh they did what??? It is over so
>> we need to move on, now what about the NFL? I am sorry but 350 pound
>> people are NOT normal. It is all around in sports. We know, but we
>> still watch and attend the games. There are other things in life that
>> are more important.
>>
>> tom
>>
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:06 pm
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rufref wrote:
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> I guess not having baseball here for a long time people did not know about
> the "Bash Brothers" growing gigantic, and wonderful little Sammy Sosa
> getting enlarged. Then back in the 80's there was the coke scandal, with
> some high-profile names and baseball did nothing.
I could understand not being clued into steroid use among National
League players, but the DC media covered the American League pretty well
all these years because of the Orioles. So if you were paying
attention, you should have been aware of the "Bash Brothers".
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:20 pm
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Bill Delmore wrote:
> I don't think we did know.
I think some of the fans, like myself had suspicions, especially during
the 1998 home run chase, after seeing McGwire give interviews after
games with his two arms bulging out like a pair of oversized legs of
lamb. But none of media wrote anything about the unusual size and shape
of his arms, so I assumed that's how some modern day ballplayers looked.
Still my suspicion is that nobody would have really cared about steroid
use in baseball if it wasn't for Barry Bonds chasing Hank Aaron's record
and Jose Canseco's tell-all book.
Look, no one really cares about steroid use in the NFL. A star NFL
player gets busted for using steroids and he is sent to the Pro Bowl the
same year!
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 8:25 pm
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In article <a0Baj.32168$JD.15086@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net>,
hummbaby DeleteThis @aol.com says...
> Bill Delmore wrote:
> > I don't think we did know.
>
> I think some of the fans, like myself had suspicions, especially during
> the 1998 home run chase, after seeing McGwire give interviews after
> games with his two arms bulging out like a pair of oversized legs of
> lamb. But none of media wrote anything about the unusual size and shape
> of his arms, so I assumed that's how some modern day ballplayers looked.
>
> Still my suspicion is that nobody would have really cared about steroid
> use in baseball if it wasn't for Barry Bonds chasing Hank Aaron's record
> and Jose Canseco's tell-all book.
>
> Look, no one really cares about steroid use in the NFL. A star NFL
> player gets busted for using steroids and he is sent to the Pro Bowl the
> same year!
The NFL has a much better strategy than baseball - punish the idiots who
get caught and loudly proclaim how great their testing system is, even
though the punishments are now lighter and the drugs tested for fewer
than baseball's current drug program.
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Dan Szymborski
dan DeleteThis @baseballprimer.REMOVE.com
"A critic who refuses to attack what is bad is
not a whole-hearted supporter of what is good."
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