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Clay Northwood

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 4:32 pm
Post subject: Bluejays Finished Ahead Of Boston in 06. What Happened This Year?
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They are 14 1/2 games behind the Red Sox, and 7 games behind the Yankees
(who actually have a better team than the Sox).

One important dimension the Sox and Yankees have, which the Jays are
lacking, is
speed. The Jays have only one blazing speedster and that is Alex Rios.
Johnson, Wells,
Adams, Olmeda and Hill have pretty-good speed but are no real baserunning
threats.
In contrast the Red Sox have Coco Crisp, Hulio Lugo, Cora, their rookie
second baseman
(whose name escapes me, and their so-far sensational rook left fielder. The
Red Sox used to
be all power, no speed. Not anymore.

Why is speed important for a baseball team? Well, a very successful and
higly- respected
ML manager once said, "I would always take speed over power because speed
never goes into a slump".

Both are important. But here is why speed is a necessity. A very fast runner
at bat puts added pressure
on the opposing pitcher, catcher and the entire infield. They worry if the
batter will bunt, or hit a ground ball in the
infield and beat the throw. This pressure can, and does, cause errors, some
of which are critical.

A blazing speedster on first base worries the pitcher and catcher as he is a
threat to steal. And we have seen
many times a speedster like Rios turn a single into a double just through
speed. On second base a very fast
runner can often score on a single which an average runner cannot do. On
third a speedy runner can get
home safely on a sacrifice fly ball which is not hit that deep.

Defensively, other things being equal, a player with excellent speed has
more range and thus can make
more plays.

In their scouting and drafting the Jays organization seems to have ignored
speed and recently they have
paid a price for this. They currently have, I believe, the worst or second
worst record for stolen bases in
MLB.







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Realto Margarino

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 6:51 pm
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Clay Northwood <Northwood RemoveThis @northwood.com> says:

>Why is speed important for a baseball team? Well, a very successful
>and higly- respected ML manager once said, "I would always take
>speed over power because speed never goes into a slump".

>Both are important. But here is why speed is a necessity. A very
>fast runner at bat puts added pressure on the opposing pitcher,
>catcher and the entire infield. They worry if the batter will bunt,
>or hit a ground ball in the infield and beat the throw. This
>pressure can, and does, cause errors, some of which are critical.

The obvious difference between speed and power is that speed
contributes to all aspects of the game, both defensively and
offensively.

Nonetheless, the standard Earl Weaver, statfan mantra, is you get
guys on base. You don't risk losing them on steals or pickoffs.
Then you look for the home run.

>A blazing speedster on first base worries the pitcher and catcher
>as he is a threat to steal. And we have seen many times a speedster
>like Rios turn a single into a double just through speed. On second
>base a very fast runner can often score on a single which an
>average runner cannot do. On third a speedy runner can get home
>safely on a sacrifice fly ball which is not hit that deep.

Most people who have studied the matter think that the speed
contributes less to offense than you might think. This ain't the
minors - MLB players don't get rattled very often just because
Rickey Henderson is on first.

>Defensively, other things being equal, a player with excellent
>speed has more range and thus can make more plays.

Obviously.

>In their scouting and drafting the Jays organization seems to have
>ignored speed and recently they have paid a price for this. They
>currently have, I believe, the worst or second worst record for
>stolen bases in MLB.

The Jays do not do scouting. Ricky Riccardo believes that actually
watching a prospect could prejudice a scout, so his scouting is done
with the spreadsheet. And that is why he has the worst minor league
system, by far, of all the big market teams.

cordially, as always,

rm

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Clint Hunter

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 5:23 am
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On Sep 6, 2:51 pm, Realto Margarino <r....DeleteThis@justlinux.ca> wrote:
> ClayNorthwood<Northw....DeleteThis@northwood.com> says:
>
> >Why is speed important for a baseball team? Well, a very successful
> >and highly- respected ML manager once said, "I would always take
> >speed over power because speed never goes into a slump".
> >Both are important. But here is why speed is a necessity. A very
> >fast runner at bat puts added pressure on the opposing pitcher,
> >catcher and the entire infield. They worry if the batter will bunt,
> >or hit a ground ball in the infield and beat the throw. This
> >pressure can, and does, cause errors, some of which are critical.
>
> The obvious difference between speed and power is that speed
> contributes to all aspects of the game, both defensively and
> offensively.
>
> Nonetheless, the standard Earl Weaver, statfan mantra, is you get
> guys on base. You don't risk losing them on steals or pickoffs.
> Then you look for the home run.
>
> >A blazing speedster on first base worries the pitcher and catcher
> >as he is a threat to steal. And we have seen many times a speedster
> >like Rios turn a single into a double just through speed. On second
> >base a very fast runner can often score on a single which an
> >average runner cannot do. On third a speedy runner can get home
> >safely on a sacrifice fly ball which is not hit that deep.
>
> Most people who have studied the matter think that the speed
> contributes less to offense than you might think. This ain't the
> minors - MLB players don't get rattled very often just because
> Rickey Henderson is on first.
>
> >Defensively, other things being equal, a player with excellent
> >speed has more range and thus can make more plays.
>
> Obviously.
>
> >In their scouting and drafting the Jays organization seems to have
> >ignored speed and recently they have paid a price for this. They
> >currently have, I believe, the worst or second worst record for
> >stolen bases in MLB.
>
> The Jays do not do scouting. Ricky Riccardo believes that actually
> watching a prospect could prejudice a scout, so his scouting is done
> with the spreadsheet. And that is why he has the worst minor league
> system, by far, of all the big market teams.
>
> cordially, as always,
>
> rm

Another very bad weakness in the Jays' organization is its coaching;
otherwise it would not have
the worst record in MLB in preventing stolen bases and throwing out
potential base stealers.
No team with such an awful record in this phase of the game deserves
to be in contention, and of course the Jays are
not and have not been for fourteen years. Unfortunately for Jays' fans
it looks like more of the same next year.
Again the Jays' senior farm teams Syracuse and New Haven ended up in
or near the cellar of their respective
leagues. No help there.

There is no reason why certain Jay pitchers cannot be coached to
prevent runners on first base
from getting long leads. Also there is no reason for the Jays not
having a catcher who can throw
out potential base stealers. Greg Zaun is awful in this regard. Curtis
Thigpen is hardly ever given
the opportunity by John Gibbons because he is a rookie. And John
Gibbons, who still thinks the Jays
are in contention, is not going to give a rookie playing time.
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Bill Kawalec

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(Msg. 4) Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 2:33 pm
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"Clint Hunter" <ciceroii.RemoveThis@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:1189167786.709606.205920@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 6, 2:51 pm, Realto Margarino <r....RemoveThis@justlinux.ca> wrote:
>> ClayNorthwood<Northw....RemoveThis@northwood.com> says:
>>
>> >Why is speed important for a baseball team? Well, a very successful
>> >and highly- respected ML manager once said, "I would always take
>> >speed over power because speed never goes into a slump".
>> >Both are important. But here is why speed is a necessity. A very
>> >fast runner at bat puts added pressure on the opposing pitcher,
>> >catcher and the entire infield. They worry if the batter will bunt,
>> >or hit a ground ball in the infield and beat the throw. This
>> >pressure can, and does, cause errors, some of which are critical.
>>
>> The obvious difference between speed and power is that speed
>> contributes to all aspects of the game, both defensively and
>> offensively.
>>
>> Nonetheless, the standard Earl Weaver, statfan mantra, is you get
>> guys on base. You don't risk losing them on steals or pickoffs.
>> Then you look for the home run.
>>
>> >A blazing speedster on first base worries the pitcher and catcher
>> >as he is a threat to steal. And we have seen many times a speedster
>> >like Rios turn a single into a double just through speed. On second
>> >base a very fast runner can often score on a single which an
>> >average runner cannot do. On third a speedy runner can get home
>> >safely on a sacrifice fly ball which is not hit that deep.
>>


question:
who has the better record as an MLB manager, you or Earl Weaver?
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 2:40 pm
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 4:09 pm
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--
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feature of National Socialism, but also
the common feature between it and
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"Bill Kawalec" <billkawalec.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Clint Hunter" <ciceroii.DeleteThis@rogers.com> wrote in message
> news:1189167786.709606.205920@o80g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>> On Sep 6, 2:51 pm, Realto Margarino <r....DeleteThis@justlinux.ca> wrote:
>>> ClayNorthwood<Northw....DeleteThis@northwood.com> says:
>>>
>>> >Why is speed important for a baseball team? Well, a very successful
>>> >and highly- respected ML manager once said, "I would always take
>>> >speed over power because speed never goes into a slump".
>>> >Both are important. But here is why speed is a necessity. A very
>>> >fast runner at bat puts added pressure on the opposing pitcher,
>>> >catcher and the entire infield. They worry if the batter will bunt,
>>> >or hit a ground ball in the infield and beat the throw. This
>>> >pressure can, and does, cause errors, some of which are critical.
>>>
>>> The obvious difference between speed and power is that speed
>>> contributes to all aspects of the game, both defensively and
>>> offensively.
>>>
>>> Nonetheless, the standard Earl Weaver, statfan mantra, is you get
>>> guys on base. You don't risk losing them on steals or pickoffs.
>>> Then you look for the home run.
>>>
>>> >A blazing speedster on first base worries the pitcher and catcher
>>> >as he is a threat to steal. And we have seen many times a speedster
>>> >like Rios turn a single into a double just through speed. On second
>>> >base a very fast runner can often score on a single which an
>>> >average runner cannot do. On third a speedy runner can get home
>>> >safely on a sacrifice fly ball which is not hit that deep.
>>>
>
>
> question:
> who has the better record as an MLB manager, you or Earl Weaver?

Earl Weaver when he won had outstanding pitcing.


Last night's Jays loss to Tampa Bay was started by Crawford's speed
pressuring
John MacDonald into making a critical error. Yes, Tampa Bay also hit two
critical home runs.
No one can maintain that power is not needed, but it correct to point out
that the Jays are lacking
a very important element to their game--speed.

And why hasn't John Gibbons benched Lyle (meat-head) Overbay? He is not only
not getting any hits,
he keeps batting into double plays? He is almost as slow as Frank Thomas.


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