Blanton Extortion

On Jan 27, 6:33 pm, Dan Szymborski <d....RemoveThis@baseballprimer.com> wrote:
> In article <9609d5a8-4be0-4527-a697-
> a05418946....RemoveThis@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, w....RemoveThis@usa.com says...
>
> > And now $3.7 million for Blanton, a guy who can't control his appetite
> > and weight, much less his pitches. Why do the A's do business with
> > predatory lawyers and agents? They should offer minimum wages to
> > ballplayers in person and tell them to take them or leave them and go
> > back to pumping gas.
>
> There's this little thing called a collective bargaining agreement.
>
> Anyway, the A's didn't have to pay Blanton a dime - they always had the
> option to non-tender him for free and get him cheap on the free agent
> market if he really wasn't worth much.  But a league average starter is
> easily worth a 1-year, $3.7 million deal.
>
> --
> Dan Szymborski
> d....RemoveThis@baseballprimer.REMOVE.com
>

Worth to whom? Timid owners frightened of a communist union? They
should non-tender every pampered player whose contract expires, rehire
none, sign kids off the street for the national minimum wage, and pay
by the hour.
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On Jan 28, 10:27 am, George Grapman <sfgeo... RemoveThis @paccbell.net> wrote:
> wrabwrote:
> > On Jan 27, 6:33 pm, Dan Szymborski <d... RemoveThis @baseballprimer.com> wrote:
> >> In article <9609d5a8-4be0-4527-a697-
> >> a05418946... RemoveThis @i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, w... RemoveThis @usa.com says...
>
> >>> And now $3.7 million for Blanton, a guy who can't control his appetite
> >>> and weight, much less his pitches. Why do the A's do business with
> >>> predatory lawyers and agents? They should offer minimum wages to
> >>> ballplayers in person and tell them to take them or leave them and go
> >>> back to pumping gas.
> >> There's this little thing called a collective bargaining agreement.
>
> >> Anyway, the A's didn't have to pay Blanton a dime - they always had the
> >> option to non-tender him for free and get him cheap on the free agent
> >> market if he really wasn't worth much.  But a league average starter is
> >> easily worth a 1-year, $3.7 million deal.
>
> >> --
> >> Dan Szymborski
> >> d... RemoveThis @baseballprimer.REMOVE.com
>
> > Worth to whom? Timid owners frightened of a communist union? They
> > should non-tender every pampered player whose contract expires, rehire
> > none, sign kids off the street for the national minimum wage, and pay
> > by the hour.
>
>     How are unions "communist"? If you knew what the term meant you
> would know that real unions do not exist in Cuba or China.
>    How much would you pay to see minimum wage players?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Less, because the sports-minded owners would not be pushed to the wall
paying absurd player salaries and would be able to lower ticket prices
and increase their fan bases. The Commissioner has reported that 22
owners (of 30) are losing money.
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wrab RemoveThis @usa.com wrote:
> On Jan 28, 10:27 am, George Grapman <sfgeo... RemoveThis @paccbell.net> wrote:
>> wrabwrote:
>>> On Jan 27, 6:33 pm, Dan Szymborski <d... RemoveThis @baseballprimer.com> wrote:
>>>> In article <9609d5a8-4be0-4527-a697-
>>>> a05418946... RemoveThis @i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, w... RemoveThis @usa.com says...
>>>>> And now $3.7 million for Blanton, a guy who can't control his appetite
>>>>> and weight, much less his pitches. Why do the A's do business with
>>>>> predatory lawyers and agents? They should offer minimum wages to
>>>>> ballplayers in person and tell them to take them or leave them and go
>>>>> back to pumping gas.
>>>> There's this little thing called a collective bargaining agreement.
>>>> Anyway, the A's didn't have to pay Blanton a dime - they always had the
>>>> option to non-tender him for free and get him cheap on the free agent
>>>> market if he really wasn't worth much. But a league average starter is
>>>> easily worth a 1-year, $3.7 million deal.
>>>> --
>>>> Dan Szymborski
>>>> d... RemoveThis @baseballprimer.REMOVE.com
>>> Worth to whom? Timid owners frightened of a communist union? They
>>> should non-tender every pampered player whose contract expires, rehire
>>> none, sign kids off the street for the national minimum wage, and pay
>>> by the hour.
>> How are unions "communist"? If you knew what the term meant you
>> would know that real unions do not exist in Cuba or China.
>> How much would you pay to see minimum wage players?- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Less, because the sports-minded owners would not be pushed to the wall
> paying absurd player salaries and would be able to lower ticket prices
> and increase their fan bases. The Commissioner has reported that 22
> owners (of 30) are losing money.
And you believe him? Funny how they never make that claim during
labor negotiations because if they did they would have to open their
books to the union.
If they are losing money money why do teams keep getting sold at huge
increases over the previous prices?
You are assuming a correlation between salaries and ticket prices.
Look at NHL prices, the sport with the lowest payrolls. look what
happened NBA and NHL prices after they instituted salary caps.
Tell me, feel the same way about the salaries paid to tv and movie stars?
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On Jan 28, 4:40 pm, The Dave© <n... DeleteThis @no.com> wrote:
> > w... DeleteThis @usa.com wrote:
> > Less, because the sports-minded owners would not be pushed to the wall
> > paying absurd player salaries and would be able to lower ticket prices
> > and increase their fan bases. The Commissioner has reported that 22
> > owners (of 30) are losing money.
>
> You can already watch these people play for free at the park.  Do you?


Yes. That's how I know even small-town sandlotters can draw crowds. We
don't need to pamper ballplayers. There are thousands who would play
for the minimum wage. All that's required is some backbone on the part
of owners and we can take back our national pastime.
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wrab wrote:
> On Jan 27, 6:33 pm, Dan Szymborski <d... RemoveThis @baseballprimer.com> wrote:
>> In article <9609d5a8-4be0-4527-a697-
>> a05418946... RemoveThis @i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, w... RemoveThis @usa.com says...
>>
>>> And now $3.7 million for Blanton, a guy who can't control his appetite
>>> and weight, much less his pitches. Why do the A's do business with
>>> predatory lawyers and agents? They should offer minimum wages to
>>> ballplayers in person and tell them to take them or leave them and go
>>> back to pumping gas.
>> There's this little thing called a collective bargaining agreement.
>>
>> Anyway, the A's didn't have to pay Blanton a dime - they always had the
>> option to non-tender him for free and get him cheap on the free agent
>> market if he really wasn't worth much. But a league average starter is
>> easily worth a 1-year, $3.7 million deal.
>>
>> --
>> Dan Szymborski
>> d... RemoveThis @baseballprimer.REMOVE.com
>>
>
> Worth to whom? Timid owners frightened of a communist union? They
> should non-tender every pampered player whose contract expires, rehire
> none, sign kids off the street for the national minimum wage, and pay
> by the hour.

How are unions "communist"? If you knew what the term meant you
would know that real unions do not exist in Cuba or China.
How much would you pay to see minimum wage players?
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"George Grapman" <sfgeorge RemoveThis @paccbell.net> wrote in message
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> wrab wrote:
>> On Jan 27, 6:33 pm, Dan Szymborski <d... RemoveThis @baseballprimer.com> wrote:
>>> In article <9609d5a8-4be0-4527-a697-
>>> a05418946... RemoveThis @i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, w... RemoveThis @usa.com says...
>>>
>>>> And now $3.7 million for Blanton, a guy who can't control his appetite
>>>> and weight, much less his pitches. Why do the A's do business with
>>>> predatory lawyers and agents? They should offer minimum wages to
>>>> ballplayers in person and tell them to take them or leave them and go
>>>> back to pumping gas.
>>> There's this little thing called a collective bargaining agreement.
>>>
>>> Anyway, the A's didn't have to pay Blanton a dime - they always had the
>>> option to non-tender him for free and get him cheap on the free agent
>>> market if he really wasn't worth much. But a league average starter is
>>> easily worth a 1-year, $3.7 million deal.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dan Szymborski
>>> d... RemoveThis @baseballprimer.REMOVE.com
>>>
>>
>> Worth to whom? Timid owners frightened of a communist union? They
>> should non-tender every pampered player whose contract expires, rehire
>> none, sign kids off the street for the national minimum wage, and pay
>> by the hour.
>
> How are unions "communist"? If you knew what the term meant you would
> know that real unions do not exist in Cuba or China.
> How much would you pay to see minimum wage players?

He's probably still angry that a trade union played a key role in deposing
his beloved communist state in Poland.

Like a very few others in this newsgroup (ones who constantly change their
handle, ones who can only express their lack of self-esteem by swearing at
others) "wrab" is not worth taking seriously.

Shooty
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> wrab RemoveThis @usa.com wrote:
> Less, because the sports-minded owners would not be pushed to the wall
> paying absurd player salaries and would be able to lower ticket prices
> and increase their fan bases. The Commissioner has reported that 22
> owners (of 30) are losing money.

You can already watch these people play for free at the park. Do you?
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wrab wrote:
> On Jan 28, 4:40 pm, The Dave© <n....TakeThisOut@no.com> wrote:
>>> w....TakeThisOut@usa.com wrote:
>>> Less, because the sports-minded owners would not be pushed to the wall
>>> paying absurd player salaries and would be able to lower ticket prices
>>> and increase their fan bases. The Commissioner has reported that 22
>>> owners (of 30) are losing money.
>> You can already watch these people play for free at the park. Do you?
>
>
> Yes. That's how I know even small-town sandlotters can draw crowds. We
> don't need to pamper ballplayers. There are thousands who would play
> for the minimum wage. All that's required is some backbone on the part
> of owners and we can take back our national pastime.

Right, people will drive from all over to see players making $25 a game.
By the way, you never explained why, if unions are communist, they
are banned in Cuba and China .
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In article <882f9afa-e8ba-4bdb-a245-
aacc21ccff4d DeleteThis @e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, wrab DeleteThis @usa.com says...
> On Jan 27, 6:33 pm, Dan Szymborski <d... DeleteThis @baseballprimer.com> wrote:
> > In article <9609d5a8-4be0-4527-a697-
> > a05418946... DeleteThis @i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, w... DeleteThis @usa.com says...
> >
> >
>
> Worth to whom? Timid owners frightened of a communist union? They
> should non-tender every pampered player whose contract expires, rehire
> none, sign kids off the street for the national minimum wage, and pay
> by the hour.

They're perfectly free to do that.

And the team that does it would easily be the worst team in baseball
because the free market is what dictates these salaries.

You keep using the word "communist." I do not think that word means
what you think it means.

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Dan Szymborski
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"A critic who refuses to attack what is bad is
not a whole-hearted supporter of what is good."
- Robert Schumann
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In article <6109827b-4285-4166-bc97-51cc7ffa5dc2
@f47g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>, wrabenator DeleteThis @gmail.com says...
> On Jan 28, 10:27 am, George Grapman <sfgeo... DeleteThis @paccbell.net> wrote:
> > wrabwrote:
> > > On Jan 27, 6:33 pm, Dan Szymborski <d... DeleteThis @baseballprimer.com> wrote:
> > >> In article <9609d5a8-4be0-4527-a697-
> > >> a05418946... DeleteThis @i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, w... DeleteThis @usa.com says...
> >
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> Less, because the sports-minded owners would not be pushed to the wall
> paying absurd player salaries and would be able to lower ticket prices
> and increase their fan bases.

I see basic economics hasn't been absorbed through your skull.

Tell me, did you enjoy your free NCAA Final Four and Rose Bowl tickets?

> The Commissioner has reported that 22
> owners (of 30) are losing money.

That's like 10 years old and has been repeatedly been demonstrated to be
a lie anyway. Transparent, too - the Indians were publicly traded at
the time and the Blue Ribbon Panel actually had the nerve to not report
to Congress millions of dollars in revenues that the Indians reported to
toe SEC.

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Dan Szymborski
dan DeleteThis @baseballprimer.REMOVE.com

"A critic who refuses to attack what is bad is
not a whole-hearted supporter of what is good."
- Robert Schumann
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In article <9kvnj.1283$xq2.931@newssvr21.news.prodigy.net>,
sfgeorge.TakeThisOut@paccbell.net says...
> wrab wrote:
> > On Jan 28, 4:40 pm, The Dave© <n....TakeThisOut@no.com> wrote:
> >>> w....TakeThisOut@usa.com wrote:
> >>> Less, because the sports-minded owners would not be pushed to the wall
> >>> paying absurd player salaries and would be able to lower ticket prices
> >>> and increase their fan bases. The Commissioner has reported that 22
> >>> owners (of 30) are losing money.
> >> You can already watch these people play for free at the park. Do you?
> >
> >
> > Yes. That's how I know even small-town sandlotters can draw crowds. We
> > don't need to pamper ballplayers. There are thousands who would play
> > for the minimum wage. All that's required is some backbone on the part
> > of owners and we can take back our national pastime.
>
> Right, people will drive from all over to see players making $25 a game.
> By the way, you never explained why, if unions are communist, they
> are banned in Cuba and China .

And, even if we assume for the sake of argument that unions tend to be
socialistic, the *MLBPA's* stance has been for free markets, which is
certainly not communist.

--
Dan Szymborski
dan.TakeThisOut@baseballprimer.REMOVE.com

"A critic who refuses to attack what is bad is
not a whole-hearted supporter of what is good."
- Robert Schumann
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On Jan 28, 5:29 pm, George Grapman <sfgeo... DeleteThis @paccbell.net> wrote:
> wrab wrote:
> > On Jan 28, 4:40 pm, The Dave© <n... DeleteThis @no.com> wrote:
> >>> w... DeleteThis @usa.com wrote:
> >>> Less, because the sports-minded owners would not be pushed to the wall
> >>> paying absurd player salaries and would be able to lower ticket prices
> >>> and increase their fan bases. The Commissioner has reported that 22
> >>> owners (of 30) are losing money.
> >> You can already watch these people play for free at the park.  Do you?
>
> > Yes. That's how I know even small-town sandlotters can draw crowds. We
> > don't need to pamper ballplayers. There are thousands who would play
> > for the minimum wage. All that's required is some backbone on the part
> > of owners and we can take back our national pastime.
>
>    Right, people will drive from all over to see players making $25 a game.
>    By the way, you never explained why, if unions are communist, they
> are banned in Cuba and China .


People do. Let me ask your attention to summer baseball in many
California cities. The players are collegians, receiving no salaries.
The quality is good, ticket prices are low, and the players actually
interact with fans.
I don't care what's banned or promoted abroad, nor is that relevant to
a baseball-oriented newsgroup; I just know the Players Association is
a conspiracy in restraint of free trade, a commnist organization.
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wrab wrote:
> On Jan 28, 5:29 pm, George Grapman <sfgeo....TakeThisOut@paccbell.net> wrote:
>> wrab wrote:
>>> On Jan 28, 4:40 pm, The Dave© <n....TakeThisOut@no.com> wrote:
>>>>> w....TakeThisOut@usa.com wrote:
>>>>> Less, because the sports-minded owners would not be pushed to the wall
>>>>> paying absurd player salaries and would be able to lower ticket prices
>>>>> and increase their fan bases. The Commissioner has reported that 22
>>>>> owners (of 30) are losing money.
>>>> You can already watch these people play for free at the park. Do you?
>>> Yes. That's how I know even small-town sandlotters can draw crowds. We
>>> don't need to pamper ballplayers. There are thousands who would play
>>> for the minimum wage. All that's required is some backbone on the part
>>> of owners and we can take back our national pastime.
>> Right, people will drive from all over to see players making $25 a game.
>> By the way, you never explained why, if unions are communist, they
>> are banned in Cuba and China .
>
>
> People do. Let me ask your attention to summer baseball in many
> California cities. The players are collegians, receiving no salaries.
> The quality is good, ticket prices are low, and the players actually
> interact with fans.
> I don't care what's banned or promoted abroad, nor is that relevant to
> a baseball-oriented newsgroup; I just know the Players Association is
> a conspiracy in restraint of free trade, a commnist organization.
Thanks for proving my earlier point. You have no idea what a
communist is. Plonk.
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