Beckett/Lowell trade

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>>>> Unless the Sox drop a bomb and sign ARod.
>>> That would indeed qualify as a "bomb" - the kind you give a courtesy
>>> flush during.
>>
>> Like it or not, it would be a marketing/PR bonanza.
>>
>
> Those aspects don't interest me.
>
>> Plus, if he produces like he has this season...
>>
>
> I still wouldn't want him as a Red Sock.

I'm not sure either. And not for the more personal reasons.
My concerns are more about the utterly insane level of money
that it will take to sign him, money that could pay for 2 or 3
very, very good free agents.
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> If 2 years is optimum then 2 years only, just need to look at Pedro and
> Damon to see where Theo showed his smarts on contract length. We don't
want
> to pay for 3 years to get 2 good years.

if the sox can win for the next two years i'll be fine with them getting
stuck with the third year.

its funny how so many fans are pro-management and always worried about the
bottom line.
why don't you root for tampa or KC. they keep their payroll well under
control.
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>> If 2 years is optimum then 2 years only, just need to look at Pedro and
>> Damon to see where Theo showed his smarts on contract length. We don't
> want
>> to pay for 3 years to get 2 good years.
>
> if the sox can win for the next two years i'll be fine with them getting
> stuck with the third year.
>
> its funny how so many fans are pro-management and always worried about the
> bottom line.
> why don't you root for tampa or KC. they keep their payroll well under
> control.

There's a difference. Tampa and KC are really worried about the bottom line
in the strictest sense of the world. OTOH, I think that the Sox just don't
want
to get stuck with "too long" contracts for aging players who seem likely to
break
down in the middle of the contract. And I think that Theo just doesn't want
to
pay big bucks on a longish contract for a player who seems likely to have
his
performance level drop off significantly halfway thru the contract. I don't
see that
as a money issue as much as a performance issue. That is, if Theo is going
to
consider paying ~$10M for 4 years, he wants to be sure that he's going to
have
a player who's worth that ~$10M for all 4 years, not one whose level of
performance drops terribly.
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> > > If 2 years is optimum then 2 years only, just need to look at Pedro
and
> > > Damon to see where Theo showed his smarts on contract length. We don't
> > want
> > > to pay for 3 years to get 2 good years.
> >
> > if the sox can win for the next two years i'll be fine with them getting
> > stuck with the third year.
> >
> > its funny how so many fans are pro-management and always worried about
the
> > bottom line.
> > why don't you root for tampa or KC. they keep their payroll well under
> > control.
>
> They don't but use common sense there is a limit and if a big chunk
> goes to Arod and it forces them to hold a line with say Papelbon in a
> few years you'd scream to high hell. That's why people care about the
> numbers. Is that you Scott Boras?
>



the sox might have won two in a row if they hadn't been so quick to
dismantle the team.'
if you worry to much about the future you might miss the very nice now.
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> On Jul 6, 10:02 am, Pearly Soames <mr_soa... RemoveThis @charter.net> wrote:
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> > Those aspects don't interest me.
>
> But Henry/Lucchino/Warner may have different motives.
>
> > > Plus, if he produces like he has this season...
> >
> > I still wouldn't want him as a Red Sock.
>
> Personally, me neither. I'm just saying what if...
>
> I mean, we've lived with Manny's BS all these years because he
> produced; what if ARod were to give you 50/140 for the next 5 years?
>
>

manny is likeable BS, arod isn't.
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On Jul 6, 10:52 am, "Ray O'Hara" <mary.palmu... DeleteThis @rcn.com> wrote:
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> > On Jul 6, 10:02 am, Pearly Soames <mr_soa... DeleteThis @charter.net> wrote:
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> > > Those aspects don't interest me.
>
> > But Henry/Lucchino/Warner may have different motives.
>
> > > > Plus, if he produces like he has this season...
>
> > > I still wouldn't want him as a Red Sock.
>
> > Personally, me neither. I'm just saying what if...
>
> > I mean, we've lived with Manny's BS all these years because he
> > produced; what if ARod were to give you 50/140 for the next 5 years?
>
> manny is likeable BS, arod isn't.


Exactly, and therein lies the difference. I mean, c'mon, folks!
Haven't we seen enough of the Mr. and Mrs. F-Rod show to know he's not
the kind of guy you want on your team. T-E-A-M.

I don't want A-Fraud, regardless of what his "numbers" are. He is
bad, bad news.
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On Jul 6, 2:54 pm, "Ray O'Hara" <mary.palmu... RemoveThis @rcn.com> wrote:
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> > > > > > If 2 years is optimum then 2 years only, just need to look at
> Pedro
> > > and
> > > > > > Damon to see where Theo showed his smarts on contract length. We
> don't
> > > > > want
> > > > > > to pay for 3 years to get 2 good years.
>
> > > > > if the sox can win for the next two years i'll be fine with them
> getting
> > > > > stuck with the third year.
>
> > > > > its funny how so many fans are pro-management and always worried
> about
> > > the
> > > > > bottom line.
> > > > > why don't you root for tampa or KC. they keep their payroll well
> under
> > > > > control.
>
> > > > They don't but use common sense there is a limit and if a big chunk
> > > > goes to Arod and it forces them to hold a line with say Papelbon in a
> > > > few years you'd scream to high hell. That's why people care about the
> > > > numbers. Is that you Scott Boras?
>
> > > the sox might have won two in a row if they hadn't been so quick to
> > > dismantle the team.'
> > > if you worry to much about the future you might miss the very nice now.-
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> > =Hogwash. Want to revise history? I'll win that one in a landslide.
> > How did Pedro or Lowe fare in 05? Cabrerra was a mistake but even he
> > didn't have a great year. While Clement was a collosal bust signing
> > Pedro or Lowe would also have been a waste of money. You need to have
> > an eye on the future when doing "now" things or you will pay for it.
> > Kind of like a certain NY team is finding out. You can't just throw
> > money around like there's no tomorrow because there is a tomorrow.
>
> apples and oranges, they weren't on the sox.
> how'd the sox do in 05 and 06?
>
> sometimes its today. carpe diem.- Hide quoted text -
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that was part of the dismantling you spoke of. their 05 numbers were
no where near 04 and certainly not worth what they got. If they DID
keep them long term could we have afforded Beckett? Papi extension?
Lowell? Varitek? I dunno but I do know they built for the now WITH and
eye on the future as well. One team in the tri-state area has taken a
win it all now at any $$$ cost mentality and that hasn't worked so
well in the last 8 years.
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On Jul 6, 10:40 am, Throws like Mary <yank_ees_s....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> <oneilsprost....DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote:
> > On Jul 6, 8:13 am, d....DeleteThis@altavista.com wrote:
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> > > Unless the Sox drop a bomb and sign ARod.
>
> > That would indeed qualify as a "bomb" - the kind you give a courtesy
> > flush during.
>
> LOL. Agreed, 100%. I never want to see Slappy in Boston. Let NY
> overspend and deal with his distractions.

I could not agree more, although I'd pay big bucks to see Mrs. A-Fraud
show up at the Fens in her "Fuck You" t-shirt.....
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>> > > If 2 years is optimum then 2 years only, just need to look at Pedro
> and
>> > > Damon to see where Theo showed his smarts on contract length. We
>> > > don't
>> > want
>> > > to pay for 3 years to get 2 good years.
>> >
>> > if the sox can win for the next two years i'll be fine with them
>> > getting
>> > stuck with the third year.
>> >
>> > its funny how so many fans are pro-management and always worried about
> the
>> > bottom line.
>> > why don't you root for tampa or KC. they keep their payroll well under
>> > control.
>>
>> They don't but use common sense there is a limit and if a big chunk
>> goes to Arod and it forces them to hold a line with say Papelbon in a
>> few years you'd scream to high hell. That's why people care about the
>> numbers. Is that you Scott Boras?
>>
>
>
>
> the sox might have won two in a row if they hadn't been so quick to
> dismantle the team.'
> if you worry to much about the future you might miss the very nice now.
>
>

Hogwash. Spoken like a person whose blindly fallen in love with the
current team to the detriment of the team's future.
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> > > On Jul 6, 10:53 am, "Ray O'Hara" <mary.palmu....TakeThisOut@rcn.com> wrote:
> > > > "johnnyatburgerking" <soxfan....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > > > > "The Lorax" <FrisbeeJun....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > > > > If 2 years is optimum then 2 years only, just need to look at
Pedro
> > and
> > > > > Damon to see where Theo showed his smarts on contract length. We
don't
> > > > want
> > > > > to pay for 3 years to get 2 good years.
> >
> > > > if the sox can win for the next two years i'll be fine with them
getting
> > > > stuck with the third year.
> >
> > > > its funny how so many fans are pro-management and always worried
about
> > the
> > > > bottom line.
> > > > why don't you root for tampa or KC. they keep their payroll well
under
> > > > control.
> >
> > > They don't but use common sense there is a limit and if a big chunk
> > > goes to Arod and it forces them to hold a line with say Papelbon in a
> > > few years you'd scream to high hell. That's why people care about the
> > > numbers. Is that you Scott Boras?
> >
> > the sox might have won two in a row if they hadn't been so quick to
> > dismantle the team.'
> > if you worry to much about the future you might miss the very nice now.-
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> > - Show quoted text -
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> =Hogwash. Want to revise history? I'll win that one in a landslide.
> How did Pedro or Lowe fare in 05? Cabrerra was a mistake but even he
> didn't have a great year. While Clement was a collosal bust signing
> Pedro or Lowe would also have been a waste of money. You need to have
> an eye on the future when doing "now" things or you will pay for it.
> Kind of like a certain NY team is finding out. You can't just throw
> money around like there's no tomorrow because there is a tomorrow.
>


apples and oranges, they weren't on the sox.
how'd the sox do in 05 and 06?

sometimes its today. carpe diem.
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> >> >
> >> > > If 2 years is optimum then 2 years only, just need to look at Pedro
> > and
> >> > > Damon to see where Theo showed his smarts on contract length. We
> >> > > don't
> >> > want
> >> > > to pay for 3 years to get 2 good years.
> >> >
> >> > if the sox can win for the next two years i'll be fine with them
> >> > getting
> >> > stuck with the third year.
> >> >
> >> > its funny how so many fans are pro-management and always worried
about
> > the
> >> > bottom line.
> >> > why don't you root for tampa or KC. they keep their payroll well
under
> >> > control.
> >>
> >> They don't but use common sense there is a limit and if a big chunk
> >> goes to Arod and it forces them to hold a line with say Papelbon in a
> >> few years you'd scream to high hell. That's why people care about the
> >> numbers. Is that you Scott Boras?
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > the sox might have won two in a row if they hadn't been so quick to
> > dismantle the team.'
> > if you worry to much about the future you might miss the very nice now.
> >
> >
>
> Hogwash. Spoken like a person whose blindly fallen in love with the
> current team to the detriment of the team's future.



win when you get the chance.
sometimes you have to play your cards.
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On Jul 6, 10:46 am, "Fred Burton" <fbur....RemoveThis@starfire.mv.com> wrote:

>
> I'm not sure either. And not for the more personal reasons.
> My concerns are more about the utterly insane level of money
> that it will take to sign him, money that could pay for 2 or 3
> very, very good free agents.

And who exactly are these "Very, very good" free agents that we could
get for 2-3 mil each? Any Very, very good player is going to make what
lowell does anyway.
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