Beckett/Lowell trade

On Jul 6, 8:47 am, CalC <calcarpent... RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jul 6, 6:31 am, d... RemoveThis @altavista.com wrote:
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> > Looking better and better...and better.
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> > Lowell in particular is making his expiring contract an interesting
> > predicament.
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> Hmm to me nothing interesting. If he'll do 2 years 20 million do it
> now no questions asked. If he wants 3 years 30 I'd think about it. 4
> years I honestly think is to much. I do think they'll make a
> qualifying offer in either event. IIRC it's 10% above his 2007 salary
> for one year correct?

IF he keeps up a decent pace, you keep him. If he wants 4 and the Sox
offer 2, settle on 3 with an option. He's a veteran guy who *looks*
like he's found his stride, great influence in the clubhouse...keep
him.

Unless the Sox drop a bomb and sign ARod.
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On Jul 6, 8:13 am, d....RemoveThis@altavista.com wrote:

> Unless the Sox drop a bomb and sign ARod.

That would indeed qualify as a "bomb" - the kind you give a courtesy
flush during.
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On Jul 6, 9:36 am, O'Neil's Faggy Prostate - The Sequel
<oneilsprost....DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote:
> On Jul 6, 8:13 am, d....DeleteThis@altavista.com wrote:
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> > Unless the Sox drop a bomb and sign ARod.
>
> That would indeed qualify as a "bomb" - the kind you give a courtesy
> flush during.

Like it or not, it would be a marketing/PR bonanza.

Plus, if he produces like he has this season...
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On Jul 6, 9:36 am, smacdo <f... RemoveThis @nospam.com> wrote:
> d... RemoveThis @altavista.com wrote:
> > IF he keeps up a decent pace, you keep him. If he wants 4 and the Sox
> > offer 2, settle on 3 with an option. He's a veteran guy who *looks*
> > like he's found his stride, great influence in the clubhouse...keep
> > him.
>
> IIRC, Lowell tends to be a first half player and slides in the second
> half somewhat, doesn't he?

I guess we'll find out soon enough.
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On Jul 6, 10:02 am, Pearly Soames <mr_soa... RemoveThis @charter.net> wrote:

> Those aspects don't interest me.

But Henry/Lucchino/Warner may have different motives.

> > Plus, if he produces like he has this season...
>
> I still wouldn't want him as a Red Sock.

Personally, me neither. I'm just saying what if...

I mean, we've lived with Manny's BS all these years because he
produced; what if ARod were to give you 50/140 for the next 5 years?
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On Jul 6, 10:53 am, "Ray O'Hara" <mary.palmu... DeleteThis @rcn.com> wrote:
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> > If 2 years is optimum then 2 years only, just need to look at Pedro and
> > Damon to see where Theo showed his smarts on contract length. We don't
> want
> > to pay for 3 years to get 2 good years.
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> if the sox can win for the next two years i'll be fine with them getting
> stuck with the third year.
>
> its funny how so many fans are pro-management and always worried about the
> bottom line.
> why don't you root for tampa or KC. they keep their payroll well under
> control.

They don't but use common sense there is a limit and if a big chunk
goes to Arod and it forces them to hold a line with say Papelbon in a
few years you'd scream to high hell. That's why people care about the
numbers. Is that you Scott Boras?
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On Jul 6, 11:51 am, "Ray O'Hara" <mary.palmu... DeleteThis @rcn.com> wrote:
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> > > > If 2 years is optimum then 2 years only, just need to look at Pedro
> and
> > > > Damon to see where Theo showed his smarts on contract length. We don't
> > > want
> > > > to pay for 3 years to get 2 good years.
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> > > if the sox can win for the next two years i'll be fine with them getting
> > > stuck with the third year.
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> > > its funny how so many fans are pro-management and always worried about
> the
> > > bottom line.
> > > why don't you root for tampa or KC. they keep their payroll well under
> > > control.
>
> > They don't but use common sense there is a limit and if a big chunk
> > goes to Arod and it forces them to hold a line with say Papelbon in a
> > few years you'd scream to high hell. That's why people care about the
> > numbers. Is that you Scott Boras?
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> the sox might have won two in a row if they hadn't been so quick to
> dismantle the team.'
> if you worry to much about the future you might miss the very nice now.- Hide quoted text -
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=Hogwash. Want to revise history? I'll win that one in a landslide.
How did Pedro or Lowe fare in 05? Cabrerra was a mistake but even he
didn't have a great year. While Clement was a collosal bust signing
Pedro or Lowe would also have been a waste of money. You need to have
an eye on the future when doing "now" things or you will pay for it.
Kind of like a certain NY team is finding out. You can't just throw
money around like there's no tomorrow because there is a tomorrow.
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On Jul 6, 11:52 am, "Ray O'Hara" <mary.palmu... DeleteThis @rcn.com> wrote:
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> > On Jul 6, 10:02 am, Pearly Soames <mr_soa... DeleteThis @charter.net> wrote:
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> > > Those aspects don't interest me.
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> > But Henry/Lucchino/Warner may have different motives.
>
> > > > Plus, if he produces like he has this season...
>
> > > I still wouldn't want him as a Red Sock.
>
> > Personally, me neither. I'm just saying what if...
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> > I mean, we've lived with Manny's BS all these years because he
> > produced; what if ARod were to give you 50/140 for the next 5 years?
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I agree, he's a tool.
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dvaoa DeleteThis @altavista.com wrote:

> IF he keeps up a decent pace, you keep him. If he wants 4 and the Sox
> offer 2, settle on 3 with an option. He's a veteran guy who *looks*
> like he's found his stride, great influence in the clubhouse...keep
> him.

IIRC, Lowell tends to be a first half player and slides in the second
half somewhat, doesn't he?
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On Jul 6, 7:36 am, O'Neil's Faggy Prostate - The Sequel
<oneilsprost....RemoveThis@aol.com> wrote:
> On Jul 6, 8:13 am, d....RemoveThis@altavista.com wrote:
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> > Unless the Sox drop a bomb and sign ARod.
>
> That would indeed qualify as a "bomb" - the kind you give a courtesy
> flush during.

LOL. Agreed, 100%. I never want to see Slappy in Boston. Let NY
overspend and deal with his distractions.
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On Jul 6, 8:47 am, CalC <calcarpent... RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jul 6, 6:31 am, d... RemoveThis @altavista.com wrote:
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> > Looking better and better...and better.
>
> > Lowell in particular is making his expiring contract an interesting
> > predicament.
>
> Hmm to me nothing interesting. If he'll do 2 years 20 million do it
> now no questions asked. If he wants 3 years 30 I'd think about it. 4
> years I honestly think is to much. I do think they'll make a
> qualifying offer in either event.


If he bombs the second half, I'm not sure they will. If he keeps it
up, absolutely. 2 years I think is the optimal length to sign him from
the Sox point of view. He will likely want 3-4. We don't have any
prospects whom are really ready to come up at that position, so
resigning him is not a bad idea in my mind.
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"The Lorax" <FrisbeeJunkie.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Jul 6, 8:47 am, CalC <calcarpent....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Jul 6, 6:31 am, d....RemoveThis@altavista.com wrote:
>>
>> > Looking better and better...and better.
>>
>> > Lowell in particular is making his expiring contract an interesting
>> > predicament.
>>
>> Hmm to me nothing interesting. If he'll do 2 years 20 million do it
>> now no questions asked. If he wants 3 years 30 I'd think about it. 4
>> years I honestly think is to much. I do think they'll make a
>> qualifying offer in either event.
>
>
> If he bombs the second half, I'm not sure they will. If he keeps it
> up, absolutely. 2 years I think is the optimal length to sign him from
> the Sox point of view. He will likely want 3-4. We don't have any
> prospects whom are really ready to come up at that position, so
> resigning him is not a bad idea in my mind.
>

If 2 years is optimum then 2 years only, just need to look at Pedro and
Damon to see where Theo showed his smarts on contract length. We don't want
to pay for 3 years to get 2 good years.

Looking at the Yankees, they seem to have lots of long contracts where the
star ran out of gas.
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dvaoa.RemoveThis@altavista.com wrote:
> On Jul 6, 9:36 am, O'Neil's Faggy Prostate - The Sequel
> <oneilsprost....RemoveThis@aol.com> wrote:
>> On Jul 6, 8:13 am, d....RemoveThis@altavista.com wrote:
>>
>>> Unless the Sox drop a bomb and sign ARod.
>> That would indeed qualify as a "bomb" - the kind you give a courtesy
>> flush during.
>
> Like it or not, it would be a marketing/PR bonanza.
>

Those aspects don't interest me.

> Plus, if he produces like he has this season...
>

I still wouldn't want him as a Red Sock.
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