Angelos - Scum Bag to the end

Mitchell and Selig claim there was no pre release to anyone.

"FSogol" <FSogol.RemoveThis@nospamplease.org> wrote in message
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> Bill Delmore wrote:
>> Just reading the account of Congressional hearings where Tejada may be
>> subject to prosecution for perjury for his 2005 testimony. New findings
>> in the Mitchell report make his testimony at conflict with sworn
>> testimony in the Mitchell report. I would like Congress to put Angelos
>> on the stand and find out what he knew about Tejada's drug usage. Since
>> Angelos unloaded Tejada one day before Mitchell went public, I would also
>> like Peter to testify if he was tipped off regarding the contents of the
>> report. Houston should sue the Orioles to undo the Tejada trade.
>
> I'm sure Houston knew what they were getting. There were unsubstantiated
> reports that all clubs saw the report before the general public. Getting
> Dr. B-12 before the report came out allows Houston to avoid the PR hit.
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In article <1Svjj.17935$E01.10899@newsfe22.lga>, bdelmore DeleteThis @cox.net
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> Mitchell and Selig claim there was no pre release to anyone.

Selig also claims that he first heard of steroids in like 2001.

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Looks like the FBI is going to contact Dr. Tejada according to this mornings
papers. Hope he tells the truth or he'll just be adding on to the charges.
Give him the Marian Jones treatment - six months.

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> In article <1Svjj.17935$E01.10899@newsfe22.lga>, bdelmore RemoveThis @cox.net
> says...
>> Mitchell and Selig claim there was no pre release to anyone.
>
> Selig also claims that he first heard of steroids in like 2001.
>
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> "A critic who refuses to attack what is bad is
> not a whole-hearted supporter of what is good."
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Bill Delmore wrote:
> Looks like the FBI is going to contact Dr. Tejada according to this mornings
> papers. Hope he tells the truth or he'll just be adding on to the charges.
> Give him the Marian Jones treatment - six months.
>

I read an article from Houston stating that Dr. B-12 could face up to 5
years in prison.

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That is the maximum per count. I doubt whether he would get that in light
of the Jones sentencing. That will be the threat though.
"FSogol" <FSogol.DeleteThis@nospamplease.org> wrote in message
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> Bill Delmore wrote:
>> Looks like the FBI is going to contact Dr. Tejada according to this
>> mornings papers. Hope he tells the truth or he'll just be adding on to
>> the charges. Give him the Marian Jones treatment - six months.
>>
>
> I read an article from Houston stating that Dr. B-12 could face up to 5
> years in prison.
>
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On Jan 16, 3:35 pm, "Bill Delmore" <bdelm....DeleteThis@cox.net> wrote:
> Just reading the account of Congressional hearings where Tejada may be
> subject to prosecution for perjury for his 2005 testimony.  New findings in
> the Mitchell report make his testimony at conflict with sworn testimony in
> the Mitchell report.  I would like Congress to put Angelos on the stand and
> find out what he knew about Tejada's drug usage.  Since Angelos unloaded
> Tejada one day before Mitchell went public, I would also like Peter to
> testify if he was tipped off regarding the contents of the report.  Houston
> should sue the Orioles to undo the Tejada trade.

I think that you could find players on any major or minor league
baseball who were using steroids illegally. And I think you would
find managers and owners were aware of the activity at some level, but
did nothing because it is a pervasive practice. Washington Nationals
included. Going on endless McCarthy-like witchhunts to discover all of
the past and current steroid users and enablers in baseball will do
nothing to correct the problem. It will only provide full employment
for thousands of lawyers through decades of litigation. The steps
we should take after the Mitchell report should be focused on stopping
the behaviour now and in the future. Some of those steps should
include ongoing testing, serious penalties and a willingness to hold
to those penalties no matter how painful they may be to team
performance. First infraction the player is out for a season and the
team can't bring up a replacement from the minors. Second infraction
and you are out of baseball permanently.
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On Jan 21, 5:34 pm, FSogol <fso....DeleteThis@nomorespamplease.nu> wrote:
> "John S." <hjs....DeleteThis@cs.com>Sputtered:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 16, 3:35 pm, "Bill Delmore" <bdelm....DeleteThis@cox.net> wrote:
> >> Just reading the account of Congressional hearings where Tejada may
> >> be subject to prosecution for perjury for his 2005 testimony.  New
> >> findings
> >  in
> >> the Mitchell report make his testimony at conflict with sworn
> >> testimony in
>
> >> the Mitchell report.  I would like Congress to put Angelos on the
> >> stand
> > and
> >> find out what he knew about Tejada's drug usage.  Since Angelos
> >> unloaded
>
> >> Tejada one day before Mitchell went public, I would also like Peter
> >> to testify if he was tipped off regarding the contents of the report.
> >>  Hous
> > ton
> >> should sue the Orioles to undo the Tejada trade.
>
> > I think that you could find players on any major or minor league
> > baseball who were using steroids illegally.  And I think you would
> > find managers and owners were aware of the activity at some level, but
> > did nothing because it is a pervasive practice.  Washington Nationals
> > included. Going on endless McCarthy-like witchhunts to discover all of
> > the past and current steroid users and enablers in baseball will do
> > nothing to correct the problem.  It will only provide full employment
> > for thousands of lawyers through decades of litigation.    The steps
> > we should take after the Mitchell report should be focused on stopping
> > the behaviour now and in the future.  
>
> I completely agreed.  However, Selig and Fehr ignored this problem
> because it was good for business.  Baseball will never move forward
> until these two are gone.  Bring in a new independent commssioner and a
> new player association manager.  Then you can move forward with new
> policies.
>
> > Some of those steps should
> > include ongoing testing, serious penalties and a willingness to hold
> > to those penalties no matter how painful they may be to team
> > performance.   First infraction the player is out for a season and the
> > team can't bring up a replacement from the minors.   Second infraction
> > and you are out of baseball permanently.
>
> Harsh!  I propose a 30 day ban for first timers and a whole season ban
> for a 2nd positive test.  A 3rd positive would get you a 5 year ban.  
> Tests should include blood and urine checks and should be randomly done
> twice a season.  The team should also be fined for infractions.
>
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I can agree with modifying the ban somewhat, however the team owners
should feel some pain too. A fine won't help much. But if they can't
bring up another player then that will bring pain that they remember -
potential damage to the win/loss record and pain the other players
will feel.

The owners and players have got to do something serious. If not the
eyewash solution they are likely to come up with will be worse than
doing nothing.
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"John S." <hjsjms RemoveThis @cs.com>Sputtered:

> On Jan 16, 3:35 pm, "Bill Delmore" <bdelm... RemoveThis @cox.net> wrote:
>> Just reading the account of Congressional hearings where Tejada may
>> be subject to prosecution for perjury for his 2005 testimony.  New
>> findings
> in
>> the Mitchell report make his testimony at conflict with sworn
>> testimony in
>
>> the Mitchell report.  I would like Congress to put Angelos on the
>> stand
> and
>> find out what he knew about Tejada's drug usage.  Since Angelos
>> unloaded
>
>> Tejada one day before Mitchell went public, I would also like Peter
>> to testify if he was tipped off regarding the contents of the report.
>>  Hous
> ton
>> should sue the Orioles to undo the Tejada trade.
>
> I think that you could find players on any major or minor league
> baseball who were using steroids illegally. And I think you would
> find managers and owners were aware of the activity at some level, but
> did nothing because it is a pervasive practice. Washington Nationals
> included. Going on endless McCarthy-like witchhunts to discover all of
> the past and current steroid users and enablers in baseball will do
> nothing to correct the problem. It will only provide full employment
> for thousands of lawyers through decades of litigation. The steps
> we should take after the Mitchell report should be focused on stopping
> the behaviour now and in the future.


I completely agreed. However, Selig and Fehr ignored this problem
because it was good for business. Baseball will never move forward
until these two are gone. Bring in a new independent commssioner and a
new player association manager. Then you can move forward with new
policies.

> Some of those steps should
> include ongoing testing, serious penalties and a willingness to hold
> to those penalties no matter how painful they may be to team
> performance. First infraction the player is out for a season and the
> team can't bring up a replacement from the minors. Second infraction
> and you are out of baseball permanently.
>

Harsh! I propose a 30 day ban for first timers and a whole season ban
for a 2nd positive test. A 3rd positive would get you a 5 year ban.
Tests should include blood and urine checks and should be randomly done
twice a season. The team should also be fined for infractions.


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