2009 roster predictions anyone

"VC" wrote in message

> My predictions (hopes?):
>
> Rogers - retire
> Jones - retire
> Renteria - buy out
> Sheffield - cut/release/walking papers/whatever you want to call it



The easy answer is to keep Renteria. He's not Derek Jeter, but he's not
really a liability either.




>
> Questions:
> Where the heck does Guillen play?
> Who is the closer (can they sign K-Rod?)?


My hope is that no one is willing to pay K-Rod waht he's asking.




> Three spots in the rotation should be set - Bonderman, Verlander and
> Galarraga. Other 2 are unknown.


Miner's doing well right now.



> Who plays LF? Can Thames be an everyday player? Is Joyce ready?
> Clevlen? Thomas?
> Who plays SS?
>
> Do they try to sign a catcher and move Inge back to 3B?
> Do they try to sign a SS, keep Guillen at 3B & Inge at C?
> ...or do they try to sign both SS and 3B and have Guillen be the normal
> DH?


I wouldn't.




>
>
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In article , VC says...
>
>My predictions (hopes?):
>
>Rogers - retire
>Jones - retire
>Renteria - buy out
>Sheffield - cut/release/walking papers/whatever you want to call it
>
>Questions:
>Where the heck does Guillen play?
>Who is the closer (can they sign K-Rod?)?
>Three spots in the rotation should be set - Bonderman, Verlander and
>Galarraga. Other 2 are unknown.
>Who plays LF? Can Thames be an everyday player? Is Joyce ready? Clevlen?
>Thomas?
>Who plays SS?
>
>Do they try to sign a catcher and move Inge back to 3B?

They need a quality catcher. When they had Freehan or Parrish
you could see the difference. They are so preocupied with
the "Inge Experiment" and playing musical chairs with the
pitching staff, and the September call-ups from the minors,
that they've lost sight of the fact that a great Quality
Catcher would enhance their pitching. You build a Championship
Team up the middle and that would never include Inge.

>Do they try to sign a SS, keep Guillen at 3B & Inge at C?
>...or do they try to sign both SS and 3B and have Guillen be the normal DH?
>
>

Dave
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On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 02:40:40 -0400, "Bill Kawalec" wrote:

>"VC" wrote in message

>> Questions:
>> Where the heck does Guillen play?
>> Who is the closer (can they sign K-Rod?)?
>
>
>My hope is that no one is willing to pay K-Rod waht he's asking.


Doesn't matter, the Tigers won't get K-Rod.



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"snapp44" wrote in message

> In article , VC says...
>>
>>My predictions (hopes?):
>>
>>Rogers - retire
>>Jones - retire
>>Renteria - buy out
>>Sheffield - cut/release/walking papers/whatever you want to call it
>>
>>Questions:
>>Where the heck does Guillen play?
>>Who is the closer (can they sign K-Rod?)?
>>Three spots in the rotation should be set - Bonderman, Verlander and
>>Galarraga. Other 2 are unknown.
>>Who plays LF? Can Thames be an everyday player? Is Joyce ready?
>>Clevlen?
>>Thomas?
>>Who plays SS?
>>
>>Do they try to sign a catcher and move Inge back to 3B?
>
> They need a quality catcher. When they had Freehan or Parrish
> you could see the difference. They are so preocupied with
> the "Inge Experiment" and playing musical chairs with the
> pitching staff, and the September call-ups from the minors,
> that they've lost sight of the fact that a great Quality
> Catcher would enhance their pitching. You build a Championship
> Team up the middle and that would never include Inge.



Nonsense. The post All Star pitching has just sucked. With Inge, with a
"quality catcher," it's just sucked.
(and, btw, there ain't that many quality catchers around these days.)







>
>>Do they try to sign a SS, keep Guillen at 3B & Inge at C?
>>...or do they try to sign both SS and 3B and have Guillen be the normal
>>DH?
>>
>>
>
> Dave
>
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On Sun, 24 Aug 2008 13:47:52 -0400, "Bill Kawalec" wrote:

>
>"snapp44" wrote in message
>
>> In article , VC says...
>>>
>>>My predictions (hopes?):
>>>
>>>Rogers - retire
>>>Jones - retire
>>>Renteria - buy out
>>>Sheffield - cut/release/walking papers/whatever you want to call it
>>>
>>>Questions:
>>>Where the heck does Guillen play?
>>>Who is the closer (can they sign K-Rod?)?
>>>Three spots in the rotation should be set - Bonderman, Verlander and
>>>Galarraga. Other 2 are unknown.
>>>Who plays LF? Can Thames be an everyday player? Is Joyce ready?
>>>Clevlen?
>>>Thomas?
>>>Who plays SS?
>>>
>>>Do they try to sign a catcher and move Inge back to 3B?
>>
>> They need a quality catcher. When they had Freehan or Parrish
>> you could see the difference. They are so preocupied with
>> the "Inge Experiment" and playing musical chairs with the
>> pitching staff, and the September call-ups from the minors,
>> that they've lost sight of the fact that a great Quality
>> Catcher would enhance their pitching. You build a Championship
>> Team up the middle and that would never include Inge.
>
>
>
>Nonsense. The post All Star pitching has just sucked. With Inge, with a
>"quality catcher," it's just sucked.


Actually, the Tigers pitching has pretty much sucked the WHOLE season.



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In article , Bill Kawalec says...
>
>
>"snapp44" wrote in message
>
>> In article , VC says...
>>>
>>>My predictions (hopes?):
>>>
>>>Rogers - retire
>>>Jones - retire
>>>Renteria - buy out
>>>Sheffield - cut/release/walking papers/whatever you want to call it
>>>
>>>Questions:
>>>Where the heck does Guillen play?
>>>Who is the closer (can they sign K-Rod?)?
>>>Three spots in the rotation should be set - Bonderman, Verlander and
>>>Galarraga. Other 2 are unknown.
>>>Who plays LF? Can Thames be an everyday player? Is Joyce ready?
>>>Clevlen?
>>>Thomas?
>>>Who plays SS?
>>>
>>>Do they try to sign a catcher and move Inge back to 3B?
>>
>> They need a quality catcher. When they had Freehan or Parrish
>> you could see the difference. They are so preocupied with
>> the "Inge Experiment" and playing musical chairs with the
>> pitching staff, and the September call-ups from the minors,
>> that they've lost sight of the fact that a great Quality
>> Catcher would enhance their pitching. You build a Championship
>> Team up the middle and that would never include Inge.
>
>
>
>Nonsense. The post All Star pitching has just sucked. With Inge, with a
>"quality catcher," it's just sucked.
>(and, btw, there ain't that many quality catchers around these days.)
>

So, let me get this straight. There's no difference between
Inge and a quality catcher and the organization should not
be held responsible for not developing one in
the last twenty years? And Renteria/Polanco is as good as
Trammell/Whitaker and building a team up the middle is not
important? And these organizational standards are not very
important or are outdated and discarding them did not make
much difference? ........................
I bet you're pondering your bellybutton fuzz right now.

Dave
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"snapp44" wrote in message

> In article , Bill Kawalec
> says...
>>
>>
>>"snapp44" wrote in message
>>
>>> In article , VC says...
>>>>
>>>>My predictions (hopes?):
>>>>
>>>>Rogers - retire
>>>>Jones - retire
>>>>Renteria - buy out
>>>>Sheffield - cut/release/walking papers/whatever you want to call it
>>>>
>>>>Questions:
>>>>Where the heck does Guillen play?
>>>>Who is the closer (can they sign K-Rod?)?
>>>>Three spots in the rotation should be set - Bonderman, Verlander and
>>>>Galarraga. Other 2 are unknown.
>>>>Who plays LF? Can Thames be an everyday player? Is Joyce ready?
>>>>Clevlen?
>>>>Thomas?
>>>>Who plays SS?
>>>>
>>>>Do they try to sign a catcher and move Inge back to 3B?
>>>
>>> They need a quality catcher. When they had Freehan or Parrish
>>> you could see the difference. They are so preocupied with
>>> the "Inge Experiment" and playing musical chairs with the
>>> pitching staff, and the September call-ups from the minors,
>>> that they've lost sight of the fact that a great Quality
>>> Catcher would enhance their pitching. You build a Championship
>>> Team up the middle and that would never include Inge.
>>
>>
>>
>>Nonsense. The post All Star pitching has just sucked. With Inge, with a
>>"quality catcher," it's just sucked.
>>(and, btw, there ain't that many quality catchers around these days.)
>>
>
> So, let me get this straight. There's no difference between
> Inge and a quality catcher and the organization should not
> be held responsible for not developing one in
> the last twenty years? And Renteria/Polanco is as good as
> Trammell/Whitaker and building a team up the middle is not
> important? And these organizational standards are not very
> important or are outdated and discarding them did not make
> much difference? ........................
> I bet you're pondering your bellybutton fuzz right now.



Renteria/Polanco are not a liability.
I'm not convinced Inge can't be a quality catcher defensively. Repalcing him
right now would not be high on my list of priorities, especially with the
way the pitching staff has performed since mid-July. *Right now*, I'd be
willing to say they can start next year with Galarraga and Miner, and hope
Verlander has just had an off year. **IF** (and it is a big "if") Willis can
come back throwing strikes, maybe the starting staff is better next year.
I'd want to see, however, who's available in the starting pitching and left
field departments.






>
> Dave
>
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"Bill Kawalec" wrote in message

>
> "snapp44" wrote in message
>
>> In article , Bill Kawalec
>> says...
>>>
>>>
>>>"snapp44" wrote in message
>>>
>>>> In article , VC says...
>>>>>
>>>>>My predictions (hopes?):
>>>>>
>>>>>Rogers - retire
>>>>>Jones - retire
>>>>>Renteria - buy out
>>>>>Sheffield - cut/release/walking papers/whatever you want to call it
>>>>>
>>>>>Questions:
>>>>>Where the heck does Guillen play?
>>>>>Who is the closer (can they sign K-Rod?)?
>>>>>Three spots in the rotation should be set - Bonderman, Verlander and
>>>>>Galarraga. Other 2 are unknown.
>>>>>Who plays LF? Can Thames be an everyday player? Is Joyce ready?
>>>>>Clevlen?
>>>>>Thomas?
>>>>>Who plays SS?
>>>>>
>>>>>Do they try to sign a catcher and move Inge back to 3B?
>>>>
>>>> They need a quality catcher. When they had Freehan or Parrish
>>>> you could see the difference. They are so preocupied with
>>>> the "Inge Experiment" and playing musical chairs with the
>>>> pitching staff, and the September call-ups from the minors,
>>>> that they've lost sight of the fact that a great Quality
>>>> Catcher would enhance their pitching. You build a Championship
>>>> Team up the middle and that would never include Inge.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Nonsense. The post All Star pitching has just sucked. With Inge, with a
>>>"quality catcher," it's just sucked.
>>>(and, btw, there ain't that many quality catchers around these days.)
>>>
>>
>> So, let me get this straight. There's no difference between
>> Inge and a quality catcher and the organization should not
>> be held responsible for not developing one in
>> the last twenty years? And Renteria/Polanco is as good as
>> Trammell/Whitaker and building a team up the middle is not
>> important? And these organizational standards are not very
>> important or are outdated and discarding them did not make
>> much difference? ........................
>> I bet you're pondering your bellybutton fuzz right now.
>
>
>
> Renteria/Polanco are not a liability.
> I'm not convinced Inge can't be a quality catcher defensively. Repalcing
> him right now would not be high on my list of priorities, especially with
> the way the pitching staff has performed since mid-July. *Right now*, I'd
> be willing to say they can start next year with Galarraga and Miner, and
> hope Verlander has just had an off year. **IF** (and it is a big "if")
> Willis can come back throwing strikes, maybe the starting staff is better
> next year. I'd want to see, however, who's available in the starting
> pitching and left field departments.
>
>

I would like to know who we will get with Bonderman next year? I don't see
him as an automatic #2 quality next year. I hope he is, I think he can be
but he can also be downright aweful at times too. The Tigers need him to be
#2 material and I am just not convinced.
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On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:00:56 -0400, "John Poutre"
wrote:

>"Bill Kawalec" wrote in message
>
>>
>> "snapp44" wrote in message
>>
>>> In article , Bill Kawalec
>>> says...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"snapp44" wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>> In article , VC says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My predictions (hopes?):
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Rogers - retire
>>>>>>Jones - retire
>>>>>>Renteria - buy out
>>>>>>Sheffield - cut/release/walking papers/whatever you want to call it
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Questions:
>>>>>>Where the heck does Guillen play?
>>>>>>Who is the closer (can they sign K-Rod?)?
>>>>>>Three spots in the rotation should be set - Bonderman, Verlander and
>>>>>>Galarraga. Other 2 are unknown.
>>>>>>Who plays LF? Can Thames be an everyday player? Is Joyce ready?
>>>>>>Clevlen?
>>>>>>Thomas?
>>>>>>Who plays SS?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Do they try to sign a catcher and move Inge back to 3B?
>>>>>
>>>>> They need a quality catcher. When they had Freehan or Parrish
>>>>> you could see the difference. They are so preocupied with
>>>>> the "Inge Experiment" and playing musical chairs with the
>>>>> pitching staff, and the September call-ups from the minors,
>>>>> that they've lost sight of the fact that a great Quality
>>>>> Catcher would enhance their pitching. You build a Championship
>>>>> Team up the middle and that would never include Inge.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Nonsense. The post All Star pitching has just sucked. With Inge, with a
>>>>"quality catcher," it's just sucked.
>>>>(and, btw, there ain't that many quality catchers around these days.)
>>>>
>>>
>>> So, let me get this straight. There's no difference between
>>> Inge and a quality catcher and the organization should not
>>> be held responsible for not developing one in
>>> the last twenty years? And Renteria/Polanco is as good as
>>> Trammell/Whitaker and building a team up the middle is not
>>> important? And these organizational standards are not very
>>> important or are outdated and discarding them did not make
>>> much difference? ........................
>>> I bet you're pondering your bellybutton fuzz right now.
>>
>>
>>
>> Renteria/Polanco are not a liability.
>> I'm not convinced Inge can't be a quality catcher defensively. Repalcing
>> him right now would not be high on my list of priorities, especially with
>> the way the pitching staff has performed since mid-July. *Right now*, I'd
>> be willing to say they can start next year with Galarraga and Miner, and
>> hope Verlander has just had an off year. **IF** (and it is a big "if")
>> Willis can come back throwing strikes, maybe the starting staff is better
>> next year. I'd want to see, however, who's available in the starting
>> pitching and left field departments.
>>
>>
>
>I would like to know who we will get with Bonderman next year? I don't see
>him as an automatic #2 quality next year. I hope he is, I think he can be
>but he can also be downright aweful at times too. The Tigers need him to be
>#2 material and I am just not convinced.


Bonderman hasn't even proven that he is a consistent quality starter
yet. I wonder how long the Tigers will give him before giving up?
He seems to be way too fragile and inconsistent to me, IMO.





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In article , S. Smith says...
>
>On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:00:56 -0400, "John Poutre"
> wrote:
>
>>"Bill Kawalec" wrote in message
>>
>>>
>>> "snapp44" wrote in message
>>>
>>>> In article , Bill Kawalec
>>>> says...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"snapp44" wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article , VC says...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>My predictions (hopes?):
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Rogers - retire
>>>>>>>Jones - retire
>>>>>>>Renteria - buy out
>>>>>>>Sheffield - cut/release/walking papers/whatever you want to call it
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Questions:
>>>>>>>Where the heck does Guillen play?
>>>>>>>Who is the closer (can they sign K-Rod?)?
>>>>>>>Three spots in the rotation should be set - Bonderman, Verlander and
>>>>>>>Galarraga. Other 2 are unknown.
>>>>>>>Who plays LF? Can Thames be an everyday player? Is Joyce ready?
>>>>>>>Clevlen?
>>>>>>>Thomas?
>>>>>>>Who plays SS?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Do they try to sign a catcher and move Inge back to 3B?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They need a quality catcher. When they had Freehan or Parrish
>>>>>> you could see the difference. They are so preocupied with
>>>>>> the "Inge Experiment" and playing musical chairs with the
>>>>>> pitching staff, and the September call-ups from the minors,
>>>>>> that they've lost sight of the fact that a great Quality
>>>>>> Catcher would enhance their pitching. You build a Championship
>>>>>> Team up the middle and that would never include Inge.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Nonsense. The post All Star pitching has just sucked. With Inge, with a
>>>>>"quality catcher," it's just sucked.
>>>>>(and, btw, there ain't that many quality catchers around these days.)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So, let me get this straight. There's no difference between
>>>> Inge and a quality catcher and the organization should not
>>>> be held responsible for not developing one in
>>>> the last twenty years? And Renteria/Polanco is as good as
>>>> Trammell/Whitaker and building a team up the middle is not
>>>> important? And these organizational standards are not very
>>>> important or are outdated and discarding them did not make
>>>> much difference? ........................
>>>> I bet you're pondering your bellybutton fuzz right now.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Renteria/Polanco are not a liability.
>>> I'm not convinced Inge can't be a quality catcher defensively. Repalcing
>>> him right now would not be high on my list of priorities, especially with
>>> the way the pitching staff has performed since mid-July. *Right now*, I'd
>>> be willing to say they can start next year with Galarraga and Miner, and
>>> hope Verlander has just had an off year. **IF** (and it is a big "if")
>>> Willis can come back throwing strikes, maybe the starting staff is better
>>> next year. I'd want to see, however, who's available in the starting
>>> pitching and left field departments.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>I would like to know who we will get with Bonderman next year? I don't see
>>him as an automatic #2 quality next year. I hope he is, I think he can be
>>but he can also be downright aweful at times too. The Tigers need him to be
>>#2 material and I am just not convinced.
>
>
>Bonderman hasn't even proven that he is a consistent quality starter
>yet. I wonder how long the Tigers will give him before giving up?
>He seems to be way too fragile and inconsistent to me, IMO.
>
>
>
>
>
>- Scott Smith: scott.smith.RemoveThis@iphouse.com
> MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/choppersmith
>

Exactly, none of these Tiger pitchers can be counted on
to consistently perform. Gallaraga is the top dog this
year, but if he has a hangnail next year, who knows what
is going to happen? This franchise has lost sight of the
fact that they need a dominating catcher to help the pitching.
They should try and improve their 2b/ss combo for defensive
reasons and also to help their pitchers. Guillen, Polanco
and Ordonez are getting long in the tooth and have had
injuries. Guillen should be the permanent dh next year,
and Joyce should be starting in left. IMO there are alot
of question marks with next years team and foremost among
them is up the middle. Tigers are averaging 5 runs a game
this year, but are way too inconsistent offensively and
defensively. That needs to be corrected.

Dave
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"snapp44" wrote in message

> In article , S. Smith says...
>>
>>On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:00:56 -0400, "John Poutre"
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"Bill Kawalec" wrote in message
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "snapp44" wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>> In article , Bill
>>>>> Kawalec
>>>>> says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"snapp44" wrote in message
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article , VC
>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>My predictions (hopes?):
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Rogers - retire
>>>>>>>>Jones - retire
>>>>>>>>Renteria - buy out
>>>>>>>>Sheffield - cut/release/walking papers/whatever you want to call it
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Questions:
>>>>>>>>Where the heck does Guillen play?
>>>>>>>>Who is the closer (can they sign K-Rod?)?
>>>>>>>>Three spots in the rotation should be set - Bonderman, Verlander and
>>>>>>>>Galarraga. Other 2 are unknown.
>>>>>>>>Who plays LF? Can Thames be an everyday player? Is Joyce ready?
>>>>>>>>Clevlen?
>>>>>>>>Thomas?
>>>>>>>>Who plays SS?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Do they try to sign a catcher and move Inge back to 3B?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They need a quality catcher. When they had Freehan or Parrish
>>>>>>> you could see the difference. They are so preocupied with
>>>>>>> the "Inge Experiment" and playing musical chairs with the
>>>>>>> pitching staff, and the September call-ups from the minors,
>>>>>>> that they've lost sight of the fact that a great Quality
>>>>>>> Catcher would enhance their pitching. You build a Championship
>>>>>>> Team up the middle and that would never include Inge.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Nonsense. The post All Star pitching has just sucked. With Inge, with
>>>>>>a
>>>>>>"quality catcher," it's just sucked.
>>>>>>(and, btw, there ain't that many quality catchers around these days.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So, let me get this straight. There's no difference between
>>>>> Inge and a quality catcher and the organization should not
>>>>> be held responsible for not developing one in
>>>>> the last twenty years? And Renteria/Polanco is as good as
>>>>> Trammell/Whitaker and building a team up the middle is not
>>>>> important? And these organizational standards are not very
>>>>> important or are outdated and discarding them did not make
>>>>> much difference? ........................
>>>>> I bet you're pondering your bellybutton fuzz right now.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Renteria/Polanco are not a liability.
>>>> I'm not convinced Inge can't be a quality catcher defensively.
>>>> Repalcing
>>>> him right now would not be high on my list of priorities, especially
>>>> with
>>>> the way the pitching staff has performed since mid-July. *Right now*,
>>>> I'd
>>>> be willing to say they can start next year with Galarraga and Miner,
>>>> and
>>>> hope Verlander has just had an off year. **IF** (and it is a big "if")
>>>> Willis can come back throwing strikes, maybe the starting staff is
>>>> better
>>>> next year. I'd want to see, however, who's available in the starting
>>>> pitching and left field departments.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>I would like to know who we will get with Bonderman next year? I don't
>>>see
>>>him as an automatic #2 quality next year. I hope he is, I think he can
>>>be
>>>but he can also be downright aweful at times too. The Tigers need him to
>>>be
>>>#2 material and I am just not convinced.
>>
>>
>>Bonderman hasn't even proven that he is a consistent quality starter
>>yet. I wonder how long the Tigers will give him before giving up?
>>He seems to be way too fragile and inconsistent to me, IMO.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>- Scott Smith: scott.smith DeleteThis @iphouse.com
>> MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/choppersmith
>>
>
> Exactly, none of these Tiger pitchers can be counted on
> to consistently perform. Gallaraga is the top dog this
> year, but if he has a hangnail next year, who knows what
> is going to happen? This franchise has lost sight of the
> fact that they need a dominating catcher to help the pitching.
> They should try and improve their 2b/ss combo for defensive
> reasons and also to help their pitchers. Guillen, Polanco
> and Ordonez are getting long in the tooth and have had
> injuries. Guillen should be the permanent dh next year,
> and Joyce should be starting in left. IMO there are alot
> of question marks with next years team and foremost among
> them is up the middle. Tigers are averaging 5 runs a game
> this year, but are way too inconsistent offensively and
> defensively. That needs to be corrected.
>
> Dave
>
>

I agree about Guillen being the DH next year. I would love that. But, I do
not put Polanco in the same catagory as Guillen. Polanco is a solid second
baseman. No need to look at that position when they have to upgrade SS, 3B,
C and LF.
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"snapp44" wrote in message

> In article , S. Smith says...
>>
>>On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:00:56 -0400, "John Poutre"
>> wrote:
>>
>>>"Bill Kawalec" wrote in message
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "snapp44" wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>> In article , Bill
>>>>> Kawalec
>>>>> says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"snapp44" wrote in message
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article , VC
>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>My predictions (hopes?):
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Rogers - retire
>>>>>>>>Jones - retire
>>>>>>>>Renteria - buy out
>>>>>>>>Sheffield - cut/release/walking papers/whatever you want to call it
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Questions:
>>>>>>>>Where the heck does Guillen play?
>>>>>>>>Who is the closer (can they sign K-Rod?)?
>>>>>>>>Three spots in the rotation should be set - Bonderman, Verlander and
>>>>>>>>Galarraga. Other 2 are unknown.
>>>>>>>>Who plays LF? Can Thames be an everyday player? Is Joyce ready?
>>>>>>>>Clevlen?
>>>>>>>>Thomas?
>>>>>>>>Who plays SS?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Do they try to sign a catcher and move Inge back to 3B?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They need a quality catcher. When they had Freehan or Parrish
>>>>>>> you could see the difference. They are so preocupied with
>>>>>>> the "Inge Experiment" and playing musical chairs with the
>>>>>>> pitching staff, and the September call-ups from the minors,
>>>>>>> that they've lost sight of the fact that a great Quality
>>>>>>> Catcher would enhance their pitching. You build a Championship
>>>>>>> Team up the middle and that would never include Inge.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Nonsense. The post All Star pitching has just sucked. With Inge, with
>>>>>>a
>>>>>>"quality catcher," it's just sucked.
>>>>>>(and, btw, there ain't that many quality catchers around these days.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So, let me get this straight. There's no difference between
>>>>> Inge and a quality catcher and the organization should not
>>>>> be held responsible for not developing one in
>>>>> the last twenty years? And Renteria/Polanco is as good as
>>>>> Trammell/Whitaker and building a team up the middle is not
>>>>> important? And these organizational standards are not very
>>>>> important or are outdated and discarding them did not make
>>>>> much difference? ........................
>>>>> I bet you're pondering your bellybutton fuzz right now.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Renteria/Polanco are not a liability.
>>>> I'm not convinced Inge can't be a quality catcher defensively.
>>>> Repalcing
>>>> him right now would not be high on my list of priorities, especially
>>>> with
>>>> the way the pitching staff has performed since mid-July. *Right now*,
>>>> I'd
>>>> be willing to say they can start next year with Galarraga and Miner,
>>>> and
>>>> hope Verlander has just had an off year. **IF** (and it is a big "if")
>>>> Willis can come back throwing strikes, maybe the starting staff is
>>>> better
>>>> next year. I'd want to see, however, who's available in the starting
>>>> pitching and left field departments.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>I would like to know who we will get with Bonderman next year? I don't
>>>see
>>>him as an automatic #2 quality next year. I hope he is, I think he can
>>>be
>>>but he can also be downright aweful at times too. The Tigers need him to
>>>be
>>>#2 material and I am just not convinced.
>>
>>
>>Bonderman hasn't even proven that he is a consistent quality starter
>>yet. I wonder how long the Tigers will give him before giving up?
>>He seems to be way too fragile and inconsistent to me, IMO.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>- Scott Smith: scott.smith.RemoveThis@iphouse.com
>> MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/choppersmith
>>
>
> Exactly, none of these Tiger pitchers can be counted on
> to consistently perform. Gallaraga is the top dog this
> year, but if he has a hangnail next year, who knows what
> is going to happen?

can be said of any player on any team.



This franchise has lost sight of the
> fact that they need a dominating catcher to help the pitching.


name one who's available.



> They should try and improve their 2b/ss combo for defensive
> reasons and also to help their pitchers.


the combo they have is not a liability. I don't see a ton of unearned runs
being given away. No, they're not Trammell/Whitaker, but Trammell/Whitaker
weren't Jeter/Cano either, and, more importantly, they're history.



Guillen, Polanco
> and Ordonez are getting long in the tooth



Ordonez is third in the league in hitting. 'Nuff said.






and have had
> injuries. Guillen should be the permanent dh next year,


not enough punch to qulify as DH.



> and Joyce should be starting in left. IMO there are alot
> of question marks with next years team and foremost among
> them is up the middle.


nope. pitching FAR more questionable than defense.




Tigers are averaging 5 runs a game
> this year, but are way too inconsistent offensively and
> defensively. That needs to be corrected.
>
> Dave
>
>
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In article , Bill Kawalec says...
>
>
>
>"snapp44" wrote in message
>
>> In article , S. Smith says...
>>>
>>>On Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:00:56 -0400, "John Poutre"
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Bill Kawalec" wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "snapp44" wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article , Bill
>>>>>> Kawalec
>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"snapp44" wrote in message
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In article , VC
>>>>>>>> says...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>My predictions (hopes?):
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Rogers - retire
>>>>>>>>>Jones - retire
>>>>>>>>>Renteria - buy out
>>>>>>>>>Sheffield - cut/release/walking papers/whatever you want to call it
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Questions:
>>>>>>>>>Where the heck does Guillen play?
>>>>>>>>>Who is the closer (can they sign K-Rod?)?
>>>>>>>>>Three spots in the rotation should be set - Bonderman, Verlander and
>>>>>>>>>Galarraga. Other 2 are unknown.
>>>>>>>>>Who plays LF? Can Thames be an everyday player? Is Joyce ready?
>>>>>>>>>Clevlen?
>>>>>>>>>Thomas?
>>>>>>>>>Who plays SS?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Do they try to sign a catcher and move Inge back to 3B?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They need a quality catcher. When they had Freehan or Parrish
>>>>>>>> you could see the difference. They are so preocupied with
>>>>>>>> the "Inge Experiment" and playing musical chairs with the
>>>>>>>> pitching staff, and the September call-ups from the minors,
>>>>>>>> that they've lost sight of the fact that a great Quality
>>>>>>>> Catcher would enhance their pitching. You build a Championship
>>>>>>>> Team up the middle and that would never include Inge.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Nonsense. The post All Star pitching has just sucked. With Inge, with
>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>"quality catcher," it's just sucked.
>>>>>>>(and, btw, there ain't that many quality catchers around these days.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, let me get this straight. There's no difference between
>>>>>> Inge and a quality catcher and the organization should not
>>>>>> be held responsible for not developing one in
>>>>>> the last twenty years? And Renteria/Polanco is as good as
>>>>>> Trammell/Whitaker and building a team up the middle is not
>>>>>> important? And these organizational standards are not very
>>>>>> important or are outdated and discarding them did not make
>>>>>> much difference? ........................
>>>>>> I bet you're pondering your bellybutton fuzz right now.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Renteria/Polanco are not a liability.
>>>>> I'm not convinced Inge can't be a quality catcher defensively.
>>>>> Repalcing
>>>>> him right now would not be high on my list of priorities, especially
>>>>> with
>>>>> the way the pitching staff has performed since mid-July. *Right now*,
>>>>> I'd
>>>>> be willing to say they can start next year with Galarraga and Miner,
>>>>> and
>>>>> hope Verlander has just had an off year. **IF** (and it is a big "if")
>>>>> Willis can come back throwing strikes, maybe the starting staff is
>>>>> better
>>>>> next year. I'd want to see, however, who's available in the starting
>>>>> pitching and left field departments.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I would like to know who we will get with Bonderman next year? I don't
>>>>see
>>>>him as an automatic #2 quality next year. I hope he is, I think he can
>>>>be
>>>>but he can also be downright aweful at times too. The Tigers need him to
>>>>be
>>>>#2 material and I am just not convinced.
>>>
>>>
>>>Bonderman hasn't even proven that he is a consistent quality starter
>>>yet. I wonder how long the Tigers will give him before giving up?
>>>He seems to be way too fragile and inconsistent to me, IMO.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>- Scott Smith: scott.smith RemoveThis @iphouse.com
>>> MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/choppersmith
>>>
>>
>> Exactly, none of these Tiger pitchers can be counted on
>> to consistently perform. Gallaraga is the top dog this
>> year, but if he has a hangnail next year, who knows what
>> is going to happen?
>
>can be said of any player on any team.
>

So what do you suggest? How about a better job of developing
our own? The business of playing "musical pitchers" is
rediculous. I hear we are going to start another new one
soon. Then "Oh Joy", the september call ups. Then they
have that new rookie (Porcello) to ruin next year. The system
is broke, broke, broke.

>
>This franchise has lost sight of the
>> fact that they need a dominating catcher to help the pitching.
>
>
>name one who's available.
>

I could have named 2 or 3 if the organization would have been
giving a concerted effort in developing any.

>
>> They should try and improve their 2b/ss combo for defensive
>> reasons and also to help their pitchers.
>
>
>the combo they have is not a liability. I don't see a ton of unearned runs
>being given away. No, they're not Trammell/Whitaker, but Trammell/Whitaker
>weren't Jeter/Cano either, and, more importantly, they're history.
>

When were the Tigers dominent? When they had a dominent middle
infield. History teaches. How do you fundamentally build a
ballclub? Up the middle. History teaches. You may like the
"New Way" of seeing a new face or montage of players all the
time, but it hasn't worked............. as good as "history".

>
>
> Guillen, Polanco
>> and Ordonez are getting long in the tooth
>
>
>
>Ordonez is third in the league in hitting. 'Nuff said.
>

With what? 70 some RBI's as a clean up hitter? Even the
limp brained manager finally saw the light and moved him
to the 3 hole.

>
>
>
>
> and have had
>> injuries. Guillen should be the permanent dh next year,
>
>
>not enough punch to qulify as DH.
>

and not enough defence, speed or durability to start. Adios
him then.

>
>> and Joyce should be starting in left. IMO there are alot
>> of question marks with next years team and foremost among
>> them is up the middle.
>
>
>nope. pitching FAR more questionable than defense.
>

Morris would have been far less effective without Parrish/
Trammell/Whitaker. Don't ever forget your history lesson.

>
>Tigers are averaging 5 runs a game
>> this year, but are way too inconsistent offensively and
>> defensively. That needs to be corrected.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>
>

Dave
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