2004 Roster

somedude.RemoveThis@somewhere.net (Da Yooper) wrote in message ...
> Definitely an improved roster from last year, with lots of pitching
> stocked up in the minors. Let's take a look...
>
> Lineup:
>
> CF - Sanchez
> 2B - Vina
> LF - White
> DH - Young
> 3B - Munson
> RF - Higginson/Monroe
> 1B - Pena
> C - Inge
> SS - Santiago
>
> Starters: Johnson, Maroth, Cornejo, Bonderman, Robertson
>
> Bullpen: Anderson, Levine, Patterson, Walker, plus the two Rule 5's
> Bumatay & Urdeneta
>
> Bench: DeFilice, Shelton, Klassen, and either Torres or Bocachica.
>
> Pitchers at AA & AAA - Henkel, Larrison, Baugh, Ledezma, Spurling,
> Roney, Eckenstahler, German, Rodney, Loux, Connoly, Zumaya, etc.
>
> Some ifs and maybes here, but potentially a much better ballclub -
> could they get any worse ???
>
> Andy.

A much more promising line-up this year....still there is dead weight
at the bottom....Inge and Santiago. I hope they surprise me....one or
the other but I am not optimistic.

One other key....White and Vina need to stay healthy, which has been
problematic for them. We have no depth and if either go down it's
gonna be a bad.

I'm crossing my fingers for a sub-100 loss season.
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"georgek" wrote in message

> A much more promising line-up this year....still there is dead weight
> at the bottom....Inge and Santiago. I hope they surprise me....one or
> the other but I am not optimistic.

Good Lord, I am still hoping we can sign a shortstop. (Not Deivi Cruz!)
Santiago doesn't look like he will ever be capable of hitting major league
pitching. As for Inge, I want to believe he will treat every pitcher like he
treated Troy Percival, but I find it hard to be a believer . . .

> One other key....White and Vina need to stay healthy, which has been
> problematic for them. We have no depth and if either go down it's
> gonna be a bad.
>
> I'm crossing my fingers for a sub-100 loss season.

That's reaching for the stars!

Seriously, you have to give DD credit for going out to get what he's been
able to get this off-season. Jason Johnson is a terrific pickup - certainly
every bit as good as Pat Hentgen would have been. I noticed a lot of the
coverage in the media has focused on how roundly the Tigers were rejected by
Tejada. Well, sure! Whoever thought we would even *try* to sign Tejada? But
that is not a bigger story than the guys we have signed, all of whom
seriously upgrade our ballclub - and we should still end up with payroll
significantly less than last year, which is not a bad thing when you
consider how much money we were throwing after dead weight last year.

Good going, Tigers.

1MF
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"One Man's Fool" wrote in message ...
> "georgek" wrote in message
>
> > A much more promising line-up this year....still there is dead weight
> > at the bottom....Inge and Santiago. I hope they surprise me....one or
> > the other but I am not optimistic.
>
> Good Lord, I am still hoping we can sign a shortstop. (Not Deivi Cruz!)
> Santiago doesn't look like he will ever be capable of hitting major league
> pitching. As for Inge, I want to believe he will treat every pitcher like he
> treated Troy Percival, but I find it hard to be a believer . . .
>
> > One other key....White and Vina need to stay healthy, which has been
> > problematic for them. We have no depth and if either go down it's
> > gonna be a bad.
> >
> > I'm crossing my fingers for a sub-100 loss season.
>
> That's reaching for the stars!
>
> Seriously, you have to give DD credit for going out to get what he's been
> able to get this off-season. Jason Johnson is a terrific pickup - certainly
> every bit as good as Pat Hentgen would have been. I noticed a lot of the
> coverage in the media has focused on how roundly the Tigers were rejected by
> Tejada. Well, sure! Whoever thought we would even *try* to sign Tejada? But
> that is not a bigger story than the guys we have signed, all of whom
> seriously upgrade our ballclub - and we should still end up with payroll
> significantly less than last year, which is not a bad thing when you
> consider how much money we were throwing after dead weight last year.
>
> Good going, Tigers.
>
> 1MF

Dombrowski has done an outstanding job this off-season given the cards
he has to play. I thought there was a real possibility that no one
would come here. Or, he would have to overpay ridiculous amounts to
free agents. Or, failing the free agent market, he would deal some of
our better youngsters for a bat or two. Instead, he signed mostly
solid major league talent to short term contracts and didn't have to
overpay too badly. No dumb Easly-type contracts. Easily this is the
best GM work we've seen in years in Detroit...then again, the bar
hasn't been set too high.

I am concerned with what I'm reading this morning though....that they
might trade for Gillen in Seattle. He doesn't jazz me too much and I
wonder what they are asking. Certainly, if you can dump any
combination of Inge/Santiago/Infante, then fine. There should be no
hurry to do anything in the short term. Keep the young talent you
have, draft well, let the lower minor league talent progress upward,
then re-assess what we have in a year or two. And continue to acquire
free agent talent for short term, reasonably priced contracts to keep
the fans interested and the team somewhat competitive.
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Does trading for Deivi Cruz "jazz" you, George?

I am not sure who DD would trade to Seattle for Guillen. I am hoping he
doesn't "overpay" with players. Overpaying monetarily is fine IMHO, only
because the Tigers *have* to overpay to get FA's. I haven't heard any
rumblings on who the Tigers would send to Seattle in this excahange.
Anybody have any idea?

> I am concerned with what I'm reading this morning though....that they
> might trade for Gillen in Seattle. He doesn't jazz me too much and I
> wonder what they are asking. Certainly, if you can dump any
> combination of Inge/Santiago/Infante, then fine. There should be no
> hurry to do anything in the short term. Keep the young talent you
> have, draft well, let the lower minor league talent progress upward,
> then re-assess what we have in a year or two. And continue to acquire
> free agent talent for short term, reasonably priced contracts to keep
> the fans interested and the team somewhat competitive.
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By the way, it's not only the local papers that are breaking this trade
possibility news...according to espn.com's Rumor Central, the Rocky Mountain
News is reporting this as well, since the Colorado Rockies are interested in
Guillen if they can't land Aurilia.

"Tim B" wrote in message

>
> Does trading for Deivi Cruz "jazz" you, George?
>
> I am not sure who DD would trade to Seattle for Guillen. I am hoping he
> doesn't "overpay" with players. Overpaying monetarily is fine IMHO, only
> because the Tigers *have* to overpay to get FA's. I haven't heard any
> rumblings on who the Tigers would send to Seattle in this excahange.
> Anybody have any idea?
>
> > I am concerned with what I'm reading this morning though....that they
> > might trade for Gillen in Seattle. He doesn't jazz me too much and I
> > wonder what they are asking. Certainly, if you can dump any
> > combination of Inge/Santiago/Infante, then fine. There should be no
> > hurry to do anything in the short term. Keep the young talent you
> > have, draft well, let the lower minor league talent progress upward,
> > then re-assess what we have in a year or two. And continue to acquire
> > free agent talent for short term, reasonably priced contracts to keep
> > the fans interested and the team somewhat competitive.
>
>
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Definitely a better lineup with depth at the minor league level
especially with the 3 Rule 5 players of last year not guaranteed jobs. I
hope that the Tigers don't give up the farm system to get their
shortstop. I think that they have given up on Santiago and Infante
because they have a prospect in A or AA that it a shortstop who can hit
and field.Guillen might be an update but he probably is also a stopgap
measure meaning they are looking for someone for a couple of years
until they can find another solution

Fred
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>I am concerned with what I'm reading this morning though....that they
>might trade for Gillen in Seattle. He doesn't jazz me too much and I
>wonder what they are asking. Certainly, if you can dump any
>combination of Inge/Santiago/Infante, then fine. There should be no
>hurry to do anything in the short term. Keep the young talent you
>have, draft well, let the lower minor league talent progress upward,
>then re-assess what we have in a year or two. And continue to acquire
>free agent talent for short term, reasonably priced contracts to keep
>the fans interested and the team somewhat competitive.

Guillen's numbers, which are average looking for his position, would
be an upgrade. However he may cost us Zumaya or Connoly.

Can we trade Shelton yet? Or does he have to stay on the Tiger roster
for one year as a Rule 5?

I see that Seattle was trying to get Omar Vizquel back - makes me
wonder if this guy has Deivi Cruz's range ??

Lots of big name free agents left out there - shades of collusion
again ??


Andy.
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Yes I believe the Tigers can trade Shelton at any time. That's how they got
one of their rule 5 pitchers last year.

> Can we trade Shelton yet? Or does he have to stay on the Tiger roster
> for one year as a Rule 5?
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> Guillen's numbers, which are average looking for his position, would
> be an upgrade. However he may cost us Zumaya or Connoly.

It better not. I wouldn't do the deal if it was gonna cost us
either of those two.

> Can we trade Shelton yet? Or does he have to stay on the Tiger roster
> for one year as a Rule 5?

Yes. He doesn't need to stay on OUR 25 man roster, just A 25
man roster. As Tim mentioned in his reply we got Spurling via
a trade.

Chris
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"Da Yooper" wrote in message

> >I am concerned with what I'm reading this morning though....that they
> >might trade for Gillen in Seattle. He doesn't jazz me too much and I
> >wonder what they are asking. Certainly, if you can dump any
> >combination of Inge/Santiago/Infante, then fine. There should be no
> >hurry to do anything in the short term. Keep the young talent you
> >have, draft well, let the lower minor league talent progress upward,
> >then re-assess what we have in a year or two. And continue to acquire
> >free agent talent for short term, reasonably priced contracts to keep
> >the fans interested and the team somewhat competitive.
>
> Guillen's numbers, which are average looking for his position, would
> be an upgrade. However he may cost us Zumaya or Connoly.

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

> Can we trade Shelton yet? Or does he have to stay on the Tiger roster
> for one year as a Rule 5?

Yes, we can trade Shelton. We acquired Chris Spurling that way last year.

1MF
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"Tim B" wrote in message

>
> Does trading for Deivi Cruz "jazz" you, George?
>
> I am not sure who DD would trade to Seattle for Guillen. I am hoping he
> doesn't "overpay" with players. Overpaying monetarily is fine IMHO, only
> because the Tigers *have* to overpay to get FA's. I haven't heard any
> rumblings on who the Tigers would send to Seattle in this excahange.
> Anybody have any idea?

Trade Higgy!! Aren't we already *somewhat* crowded in the outfield? I
don't know if Seattle is looking for an outfielder, but I would love so bad
to see him go.

>
> > I am concerned with what I'm reading this morning though....that they
> > might trade for Gillen in Seattle. He doesn't jazz me too much and I
> > wonder what they are asking. Certainly, if you can dump any
> > combination of Inge/Santiago/Infante, then fine. There should be no
> > hurry to do anything in the short term. Keep the young talent you
> > have, draft well, let the lower minor league talent progress upward,
> > then re-assess what we have in a year or two. And continue to acquire
> > free agent talent for short term, reasonably priced contracts to keep
> > the fans interested and the team somewhat competitive.
>
>
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I can't see Higgy going anywhere until the end of his contract, unless
there's a provision somewhere in the agreement to trade him that the Tigers
pay a good chunk of his salary. I still have the gut feeling he's gonna be
the next Damion Easley.

"Yep" wrote in message

>
> "Tim B" wrote in message
>
> >
> > Does trading for Deivi Cruz "jazz" you, George?
> >
> > I am not sure who DD would trade to Seattle for Guillen. I am hoping he
> > doesn't "overpay" with players. Overpaying monetarily is fine IMHO,
only
> > because the Tigers *have* to overpay to get FA's. I haven't heard any
> > rumblings on who the Tigers would send to Seattle in this excahange.
> > Anybody have any idea?
>
> Trade Higgy!! Aren't we already *somewhat* crowded in the outfield? I
> don't know if Seattle is looking for an outfielder, but I would love so
bad
> to see him go.
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