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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 12:55 am
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Lance Freezeland

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 12:28 pm
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On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 04:03:19 GMT, "A" <aaaac.DeleteThis@hot.net> gave us:

>I don't understand why LaRussa didn't put Albert at the plate instead of
>Pujols (the last man he had on the bench), with the bases loaded instead of
>Aaron Rowland, who isn't half the hitter Albert is. Both are RH hitters, so
>it wasn't any L-R matchup using Rowland.

>Anybody have an answer for that?

Joe Buck noted early in the game that LaRussa had told him that he was
going to hold one hitter back, "just in case" and that player would be
Pujols, purportedly because of his versatility. Buck quoted LaRussa
as saying that he wouldn't hesitate to use Pujols anywhere on the
field. When Buck and McCarver interviewed LaRussa, live in the dugout
during the fourth inning, Tony reiterated that.

Suppose LaRussa sends Albert up to pinch-hit for Rowand and he ties
the game 5-5, and it goes into extra innings. Albert goes into the
game -- where? He might be able to do a lot of things, but center
field isn't one of them. Do you put him in at third, move Freddy
Sanchez to left, and move Soriano over to center?

And the second problem is that the pitcher's spot in the lineup was up
fourth, following Rowand's spot. So if Rodriguez walks Albert to
force in the tying run and then gets Sanchez out, the pitcher is
scheduled to bat third in the 10th inning. THAT's the spot that
LaRussa was holding Albert back for -- he wanted to avoid the
embarassment of having a pitcher have to bat in extra innings of the
All-Star Game. It happened a couple of years back when a pitcher made
the last out of the game, when Norm Charlton struck out to end the
1992 All-Star Game, and I'm sure that Tony didn't want to repeat that
embarassment.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 1:08 pm
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On Jul 11, 12:28 pm, Lance Freezeland
<freezelandlaw.nos... DeleteThis @consolidated.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 04:03:19 GMT, "A" <a... DeleteThis @hot.net> gave us:
>
> >I don't understand why LaRussa didn't put Albert at the plate instead of
> >Pujols (the last man he had on the bench), with the bases loaded instead of
> >Aaron Rowland, who isn't half the hitter Albert is. Both are RH hitters, so
> >it wasn't any L-R matchup using Rowland.
> >Anybody have an answer for that?
>
> Joe Buck noted early in the game that LaRussa had told him that he was
> going to hold one hitter back, "just in case" and that player would be
> Pujols, purportedly because of his versatility. Buck quoted LaRussa
> as saying that he wouldn't hesitate to use Pujols anywhere on the
> field. When Buck and McCarver interviewed LaRussa, live in the dugout
> during the fourth inning, Tony reiterated that.
>
> Suppose LaRussa sends Albert up to pinch-hit for Rowand and he ties
> the game 5-5, and it goes into extra innings. Albert goes into the
> game -- where? He might be able to do a lot of things, but center
> field isn't one of them. Do you put him in at third, move Freddy
> Sanchez to left, and move Soriano over to center?
>
> And the second problem is that the pitcher's spot in the lineup was up
> fourth, following Rowand's spot. So if Rodriguez walks Albert to
> force in the tying run and then gets Sanchez out, the pitcher is
> scheduled to bat third in the 10th inning. THAT's the spot that
> LaRussa was holding Albert back for -- he wanted to avoid the
> embarassment of having a pitcher have to bat in extra innings of the
> All-Star Game. It happened a couple of years back when a pitcher made
> the last out of the game, when Norm Charlton struck out to end the
> 1992 All-Star Game, and I'm sure that Tony didn't want to repeat that
> embarassment.
>
Certainly a plausible scenario, but I think it would be much wiser to
use the "ounce of prevention" method and try to avoid this
predicament. The simplest strategy (let Albert bat and play 1b) is
often the best, as opposed to gambling for the Worst Case Scenario
survival award.
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Jul 15, 2007 10:02 am
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On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 12:28:54 -0500, Lance Freezeland
<freezelandlaw.nospam.TakeThisOut@consolidated.net> wrote:

>On Wed, 11 Jul 2007 04:03:19 GMT, "A" <aaaac.TakeThisOut@hot.net> gave us:
>
>>I don't understand why LaRussa didn't put Albert at the plate instead of
>>Pujols (the last man he had on the bench), with the bases loaded instead of
>>Aaron Rowland, who isn't half the hitter Albert is. Both are RH hitters, so
>>it wasn't any L-R matchup using Rowland.
>
>>Anybody have an answer for that?
>
>Suppose LaRussa sends Albert up to pinch-hit for Rowand and he ties
>the game 5-5, and it goes into extra innings. Albert goes into the
>game -- where? He might be able to do a lot of things, but center
>field isn't one of them. Do you put him in at third, move Freddy
>Sanchez to left, and move Soriano over to center?

Tony out-thought himself. It's a problem he falls victim to
occassionally. There were 2 outs. If he gets a hit the game is over
because 2 runs will probably score. Almost the only way Albert gets
on without winning the game is a walk. And that assumes the next
batter doesn't get a hit and win the game.

It's better to get to the potential awkward position than to lose
before you get there. It's like when Tony pitches guys on 3 days rest
during the playofs so they'll be available for game 7. But they stink
on 3 days rest and lose and there isn't a game 7 anyway.

- Anarien
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